Gothic Council Stages Tim Burton Intervention

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Tim Burton has become something of a trial to the goths of the world. On the one hand, his contribution to the sub-culture simply cannot be overstated. Films like Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, and The Nightmare Before Christmas served as the gateway into the spooky side for many of us, and for that we remain eternally grateful.

That being said, he's become something of an embarrassment. He seems utterly incapable of tackling any sort of original thought anymore, and instead simply takes existing vehicles, and throws Johnny Depp, Danny Elfman, and Helena Bonham Carter at them until they are Burtonized.

Now he's doing Dark Shadows, and there is just no way this can be anything other than another depthless, stylized film aimed at the Hot Topic crowd. The time has come for the Gothic Council to stage an intervention, to go around the room and tell Tim how what he's doing with his career is hurting us.

Joining us this week is spooky dessertier Lynda Rouner, Becky Plexco of Morticia's Morgue, Jvstin Whitney from Church of Melkarth, stylist Carol Simmons, artist Darla Teagarden, co-founder of the Age of Decay festival Alethea Carr, DJ Martin Oldgoth, blogger at Night's Plutonian Shore Sarah Fanning, and living historian Morrighanne Burns.

Gothtopia: All right, everybody. Let's tell Tim where he's gone wrong.

Lynda Rouner: Don't forget to use the "I" statements. Example: I feel that Monkey Girl needs to go.


Gothtopia: That would be Lynda's name for Helena Bonham Carter. Why does she need to go?

Lynda Rouner: Because she's disgusting and talentless. Also, she's a skeezy whore.

Gothtopia: OK, that is a little sharper than we were planning for. Anyone else?


Becky Plexco: Tim, if you ruin my favorite vampire character ever, and the show that put me on the path to gothdom and Paganism with your remake of Dark Shadows, I shall make a bonfire of your DVDs in my backyard. And the "Barnabas as an elf" photos are scaring the crap out of me.

Jvstin Whitney: Batman was the only good movie you've ever made. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.

Becky Plexco: Not true His slide into banality began with the Planet of the Apes remake. That's where I lost my "anything by Tim Burton" fever.

Jvstin Whitney: I can tell him whatever I want at his intervention!

Gothtopia: Guys, freakin' chill. I know it hurts, but let's try and keep this positive.


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Eric Zay
Eric Zay

I am not going to say anything about Dark Shadows as I have not seen it.  I want to make a fair judgement and that won't happen if I rip it apart now. As to all these remakes I feel a sense of ambivalence.  It seems to be all he is willing to do now.  This does not mean it is going to be a bad movie.  Planet of the Apes was a ridiculous parody of the original and I am still bewildered as to what he was thinking at the time.  But Sleepy Hollow was great and I enjoyed his version of Alice too.  If he ever makes the Addams Family I have high hopes that it will work well (if it doesn't I'm going to be pissed).  But I miss the days of Vincent, Beetlejuice, Corpse Bride and Ed Wood when he sought out truly original ideas and untold stories.  I don't begrudge a director the chance to do his own vision of the stories that inspired him in the past.  If I were a director I would too.  But it looks as though he is not willing to take a chance on anything new anymore.  He originally did BeetleJuice because of all the scripts he was sent it was the only one he did not think was "lacking imagination and originality."  Where did that go?

H_e_x
H_e_x

Anyone who thinks Burton isn't churning out shit now is a damn fool, plain and simple. The man sold his soul to the almighty dollar. The old Tim Burton is dead, and now we are left with the desiccated remains of a charlatan who would rather make more money than good films. 

Lost_paradise68
Lost_paradise68

 "....how what he's doing with his career is hurting us"     Well it's fine for 'goths' to enjoy his films and step into his world.. everyone has the right to enjoy whatever they like , but don't expect him to come into yours and bow to your needs, how dare you suggest otherwise.  I'm afraid the goth tag makes his work sound cheap and tacky, when it's in fact much more than that.  It's you lot who are dragging him down, who ruin his reputation, and who give his fans a bad name.  I wouldn't dream of coming into your home and rearranging your closet,, well it's the same thing.    His not goth, his films ain't, never were, never will be so you've got no room to complain.    Pathetic.

Persephone
Persephone

yeah... except, we're not asking people to pay $14 to come view our closets...

As an artist, he knows people are not always going to like his stuff. We don't drag him down. He does that to himself by letting fans down.

But that's ok, uber fan boy. No one's going to make you stop liking him. And you'll still be able to get your Jack Skellington stuff at Hot Topic <--- (in case you missed it, that's the part that's cheap and tacky)

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 I'm not even going here. Tim burton is the world's biggest walking gothic cliche.

Misslaurapalmer
Misslaurapalmer

Thank you, Alex, that is exactly why the author of that comment dislikes Monkey Girl. Funny how that comment went unnoticed...

Misslaurapalmer
Misslaurapalmer

Amanda sweetie, I know your mom's going to call you to dinner soon, so I'll be brief. The commenter was female, so the skeezy whore comment cannot be sexist. Also, perhaps you could ask your English teacher to explain the concept of satire. Also, is Siouxsie Sioux also not a real goth, because she's not very nice either.

Sarah Hirsch
Sarah Hirsch

Women can be sexist against other women.  A lot of the time women enforce the status quo on themselves through shame, ridicule, taunting, etc.  They don't need men to hold them down because they're doing it to themselves.  There's an interesting book called "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" by Phyllis Chesler that deals with the subject.

Misslaurapalmer
Misslaurapalmer

Wow, Sarah, that's really fascinating. You know how how else women hold each other back? By stealing other women's significant others, and breaking up their families. HBC has done this. Twice. That is why she was called a skeezy whore. Male or female, if you go after someone who is in a relationship, you are a whore.

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 You know, they might be celebrities but this might have crossed the line into cyberbullying, what they have done here. This isn't a comedy spoof, it's mean, antagonistic, and childish and it actually makes me ashamed of the fact that I'm a Gothic Horror fan and collector. I run a Gothic Horror discussion group on face book. I have members who are authors in the genre and actors from classic movies. And I am EMBARRASSED over this. I am Gothic. YOU people are not MY people!  Grow up.  And you are unworthy of the word "Gothic."  

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

Amanda Darling, Please step away from the keyboard. You really are taking this way too seriously. Seriously. It's okay for you to like terrible movies. We won't judge you for it. Okay, so we will, but that's besides the point. The point is... you should see some one about your lack of funny bone. Were you born with out one or did you have to have it removed due to a horrific accident?

Puck
Puck

 Funny how Amanda is the one that is crying when all of you are bitching that Tim Burton isn't doing things your way. You are all an embarrassment to goth. Go watch some Robert Smith and try to grow up. It's called cyber bullying, look it up.   "He ruined my movie... WAAH!" Please. And yet you say Amanda is throwing a hissy fit? It's funny how pathetic so-called goths are these days.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 To be fair I never said I was a fan at all, haven't liked any of his work since Sleepy Hollow. :)

Puck
Puck

 I usually have a very strange sense of humor, but somehow calling someone a whore does not strike me as funny. Making fun of Tim Burton's cliches... yes, I find that funny, name calling and bad mouthing people for having a different opinion... hmmm... not so much. Somehow, I don't think Tim would take it as a grain of salt to have his so-called fans name calling people he cares about and trashing his real fans.

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

Is this the Gothic Councils first rivalry? This can only be settled one way, with a DANCE OFF!So, what city has the shittiest, darkest, coke infested, skeezy Goth club? We need a venue.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Actually puck it's called a satirical article mean to be taken with a grain of salt. I am pretty sure even tim burton could spot that one.

Awaugh1
Awaugh1

Really?  Any of this was funny?

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

Then why do you keep ponying up the prime rib?

Persephone
Persephone

 Hey Amanda, Look in the mirror lately? Who's being the troll here?

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 They're nothing more than trolls yearning to be fed.

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

You aren't Goths, you're bullies.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Someone call the whambulance we've got a bleeder.

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 Oh, that's very mature.  Someone disagrees with you so they MUST love some teen pop idol? How does that even make sense?  Are you high or something?

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

I think she's got a really bad case of Cryabetes.

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 Pot, kettle, black.   This very articel is "Cryabetes" against people you don't even know. 

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

This isn't funny. This isn't cute.  You are degrading people just because you, yourselves, want something to mock and belittle. Poking fun of his style or repetitive self-made cliches is one thing.  But there was NO excuse to be so disgustingly sexist as to say those things about Helena. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

I am feeling so ashamed of myself right now I think I should probably call a mental help line of some sort. You've helped me to see the error of my troubled terrible ways..I don't know how I've gotten along in the gothic scene for over 18 years without realizing what a terrible bad person I am. Wait ..the whole reason I love the goth scene is because very few of them give a rats ass about the terrible things any of us say, because we have a sense of humor, so scratch that. HB..totally skeezy and whorish.

Diana Danielle Smith
Diana Danielle Smith

I thought we were supposed to be super serious and tragic. Damnit! I've been doing it wrong.

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

Tracy, you must be new to the Goth scene, lol!

Jvstin Whitney
Jvstin Whitney

This is absolutely funny and cute.  I'm ashamed you call yourself a goth. 

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

I don't call myself "A goth."   I run a Gothic Horror discussion group.  I dn't call myself by nay clique kid friendly title. Goth is a bastardization of Gothic .

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

Oh I get it! You run a Gothic group too. Now I see. Maybe one day your Gothic group can be posted to a local rags internet blog too!

Jvstin Whitney
Jvstin Whitney

Whatever, you're not even on the Gothic Council. 

Persephone
Persephone

Amanda, you are a hypocrite. You are belittling all of us over the opinion of one of us. Step away from the computer then when you have your tween hissy fit out of the way, you might see that we do make some valid points. 

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 Hypocrite = I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Persephone
Persephone

 Definition of HYPOCRITE1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelingsSee #2 = Amanda. You bash us and in turn do that very thing you accuse us of doing. You've name called, you've been the troll, and you've insinuated drug use.Check mate.

Amanda Pike
Amanda Pike

 You do realize I'm thirty-years-old, right?  I mean, my posts are directly attached to my facebook account.  You should be able to see that much about me.  And no, no one who stoops to using the word "Whore" against a woman can make a valid point.  Other than in Vlad the Impaler's garden.

Vanity Killer
Vanity Killer

No Amanda I didn't realize your age. Mostly because I didn't bother to look at your FB profile. You know, because I'm a troll, not an internet stalker who must find out everything about some one I am having a laughable argument on the internet with. Is that what you need? For us to know you and look upon what I am sure is a stunning FB profile?

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Oh so your one of those feminazis? I dislike feminazis almost as much as skeezy whores. lol

Persephone
Persephone

 Yay, for you being 30. I'm 37, so what? And once again, you're lumping everyone into the name calling category. Settle down and log off your computer.

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