Is Tha Carter IV Really Better Than Watch The Throne?

Is Tha Carter IV Really Better Than Watch The Throne?

By Shea Serrano Tue., Sep. 6 2011 at 10:00 AM

Some rappers happen to be thoughtful, intelligent people. Every Monday that isn't a national holiday (and soon after when it is), Rocks Off will have some of them here discussing issues relevant to their culture.

Photo illustration by John Seaborn Gray

This Week's Panel: Chane, Kiotti, Doughbeezy, Brad Gilmore, Kyle Hubbard, Chingo Bling, C-Stone, KDOGG, hasHBrown

Not Invited: Birdman. Duh.

This Week's Prompt: Lil Wayne released Tha Carter IV, and it managed to break Jay and Kanye's iTunes record they just set with Watch The Throne. So, thoughts on CIV?

Chane: I haven't heard the album, but judging by the songs he put out, it should live up to the expectations of his fans. By breaking Watch The Throne's record with sales, he can throw an honest jab [at Jay-Z] and say, "Numbers don't lie." Musically, though, it's a different story.

Kiotti: Wayne stays creating his own lane. I'm a fan of the music and the movement. C4. I gave it 4 out of 5. You can't fake hard work or loyal fans. Say what you want about the man, his music is on point. Now, those jeggings... [laughs]

Chingo Bling: "She Will" is my jam. I like "John" so much that I did my own version called "Juan." I think Cash Money wants to sign Tech N9ne.

Doughbeezy: As a fan, I was disappointed. The album didn't suck, but it wasn't the Wayne I became a fan of. I feel he didn't put no effort in his punchlines and delivery. I honestly think he needs his drugs back.

C-Stone: Sounds like a mixtape to me. It jams, but not a whole lotta substance like the earlier Carters.

Brad Gilmore: First, Tha Carter IV doesn't compare to Watch The Throne. Second, I believe most people purchased the album just because it was the official follow-up to Wayne's last quality album, Tha Carter 3. Lastly, I believe it might be time for Weezy to act as a businessman and give up the spotlight.

The album was mediocre at best and shows Wayne's declining ability to make quality hip-hop. I think since the release of Rebirth, and all his subsequent releases, Wayne has consistently declined in talent. For example, out of the 14 or so tracks on C4, maybe two or three were quality, so the album was full of filler. The releases by Lil Wayne after C3, he focused on quantity not quality. Swag.

Tags:

Brad Gilmore, C-Stone, Chane, Chingo Bling, Doughbeezy, hasHBrown, KDOGG, Kiotti, Kyle Hubbard

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RokNoo

Sounds like a plan to me dude. WOw.

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Sashaj012

Watch The Throne really wasnt all that, the production on most of the songs was aggravating to me and sonically awkward. The lyrics were good although we all know Jay-Z could've put in a lot more effort in the rhymes. I give that project a 3/5 because I thoroughly enjoyed 6-7 songs on the album the rest simply wasn't good. I'm a huge Wayne fan although TC4 wasn't up to my usual standards, still it was an enjoyable listen and I probably enjoyed as many songs on TC4 as WTT. But the songs I do like on TC4 are much better than those on WTT such as She Will, Its Good, President Carter, Mirror, 6 Foot 7 Foot, etc...The only songs on WTT I thoroughly enjoyed were No Church In the Wild as well as Otis.

Arrons Bright-Idea

Jay Z and Kanye are talking about stuff that there fan base can relate to. Watch the throne does fit standard radio format, overall song structure, and they did't want to duplicate sounds that are already in the market place. 34 nand 40 year old men its not gonna resinate unless your in that demographic or in the purssuit of succes.

Quantrindic

It's a recession and people still chalk up c4s numbers to either hype from c3 or the hype from the jay z diss. What a bunch of bull. I guess even though jay dissed Wayne first his diss didn't help watch the thrones sales. People are so full of shit it's insane. Oh no wait maybe the near million of people are dumbasses and have bad taste. it's probably the best rap album in the past 5 years. You'll all realize it when he becomes a legend. Guess you haters can't enjoy the best while they're alive. Hope you all feel as smart as you try to sound when you realize how wrong you are

Arrons Bright-Idea

Jay Z never starts you just since his response this all start when wayne was ranked lower than Jay z on MTV hot rapper list. Bird man said that wayne work the hardest and they make the most money.

Hov simply let CMYM remind who the king is, looka t the forbes list numbers dont lie/.

Mizzthompson3

Goto Bed!!! Saying it's the best in the last 5 years??? Where the fuck were you in 08 when C3 came out? Stop playing with yourself, he's put out mixtapes better than C4. Thats was trash and a half. Sorry as a Wayne fan I can honestly say he was sleeping on the job.

Geezy

"Oh no wait maybe the near million of people are dumbasses and have bad taste"--- Yeah that pretty much sums it up...

"it's probably the best rap album in the past 5 years"---- It isn't even the best album THIS year.

Quantrindic

No you just don't understand what Weezy says or how real he is, even though his flow is simplistic. That's the funniest part about it too. It's all good though, I'll be proven right in a short period of time.