Rick Perry Should Pee in a Cup if the Poor Have to for Benefits, State Rep Joe Deshotel Says

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Joe Deshotel: Governor Perry, your pee-cup awaits.
Texas Senate Bill 11 aims to make drug-testing mandatory for all applicants to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. If applicants pee dirty, they would be ineligible to reapply for one year, unless they enroll in a treatment program. The bill would also require that parents who flunked be reported to Child Protective Services.

The bill is the product of Jane Nelson, a Republican from the Dallas suburb of Flower Mound, and has drawn the support of both governor Rick Perry and lieutenant governor David Dewhurst.

"This will help prevent tax dollars from going into the pockets of drug abusers," Perry said yesterday at a news conference. He added that the bill would "empower every Texan to reach their potential.

"Being on drugs makes it harder to begin the journey to independence," he added, and he should know, as (allegedly) being whacked out on painkillers definitely made it harder for him to make the journey to the White House. (Though he did regularly hurtle through deep space to Planet Gaffe. "C'mon, man! Live free or die! How cool is that, man?")

State Representative Joe Deshotel of Port Arthur thinks that if the bill is enacted, there should be an expansion of the testing to include many other recipients of taxpayer money -- especially the politicians who wrote, sponsored, and/or support Senate Bill 11.

As Perry might roar, "WHY NOT?"

"There is no evidence that poor people abuse drugs more frequently than any other socio-economic group, therefore I challenge Senator Nelson, Governor Perry and Lt. Governor Dewhurst to support adding a drug test requirement to the application to run for state office in Texas," Deshotel said in a release posted on his Facebook page.

Deshotel continues:

Many office holders in Texas draw larger incomes from the state than any welfare recipient and officials should adhere to the same standard we impose on our constituents. This would help ensure our leaders "walk the walk" and that taxpayer money isn't , "going into the pockets of drug abusers," as is the concern of our Governor.

Deshotel says that many children depend on this aid and should not have to suffer because their mom or dad flunked a drug test, and adds that the bill's supporters ignore the high cost of drug testing. He points out that between 2007 and 2010, Texans coughed up a total of $6 million to test 51,000 student athletes and only came up with 21 positive results. Most of the funding for that program has since, sensibly, been deemed an inefficient use of resources and cut.

Last month 45,000 Texans applied for TANF, Deshotel adds. "I have not heard a plan to pay for the expanded testing program," he says.

Oh, but there is one, a bleakly cynical, some would say downright mean one.

According to Jim Harrington of the Texas Civil Rights Project, Perry would use TANF funds to pay for the drug-testing. "In other words, he's taking about $350,000 worth of food and assistance from all families from the general TANF grant just to try to find a few violators," Harrington said in a press release. "This is simply callous and perverse."

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baby
baby

Zzzzzz, I could not have said it better myself.

 

Kilgore you know nothing about how this system works. My father died of cancer 4 years ago, he worked for Nasa for over 40 years, paid his tax's, paid Social Security. When he became disabled because of his sickness they refussed him Social Security for almost a year (while others with NOOOO disabilities received it). My father finally got his first check a week after he died....THATS OUR SYTEMS FOR YOU...He paid all his life into Social Security and could not get the help when he needed it.....But look at all the people that claim they are receiveing SS/disability benefits and there is nothing wrong with them.

baby
baby

I dont care what you want to call it. All the tax payers that received a $600.00 check back from the government after ALL the years of paying taxs (their fair share) deserved it. All the non-working non-paying tax (lazy bums) did not deserve it but they got one anyways DID'NT THEY?????????

Kilgore
Kilgore

All this high-minded talk about gov't leeches...remember that $600 check you were mailed a few years ago? That stimulus check sent to you by the Dem majority in Congress? It wasn't a tax refund. It wasn't an advance on future tax refunds. It was just a handout, no strings attached, and nobody had to pee in a cup to get it. But I must assume all these welfare-haters just cut their check up and threw it away. Right?

H_e_x
H_e_x

We give money to oil companies, but I don't see anyone asking for their piss. The drug testing programs for welfare recipients has never been proven to cut down on waste and abuse. If it proven to be a failure, why insist on these tests? Could it be a distrust and prejudice against people who need help? Of course it is. The line of thinking is that if you aren't well off, then you must be a bad person. 

pcwag33
pcwag33

The difference is, Perry means well, and Deshotel does not (just a poltiical attack).  The program can be managed so that it does what it intends to do. 

RebeccaS
RebeccaS

I truly don't know what to think about this, but I can tell you I was certainly pissed off when the State of Texas would not give me food stamps when I was homeless and unemployed and actively looking. The rule is that if you are childless and under 50, you can only get food stamps for three months. I did finally get a job but I went about 2-1/2 months eating one meal a day at a soup kitchen. I survived but it wasn't fun. Where I live now, there are many, many people getting disability, but look perfectly able to work, they get food stamps, too. And there are number of them who smoke crack and abuse pills. It doesn't really seem right. 

baby
baby

txworker

 

Around where I work there are people who hang out at the car wash all day (everyday) sitting around and drinking and playing cards (no these are not old people). This tends to piss allot of people off. These people are very capable of working but why should they when they can just get free money from us tax payers. YES PEE TEST FOR THEM ALL. Go to work you lazy bums.

mana
mana

I don't understand why this is being made into such a big issue. This is a drop in the ocean compared to the amount the Banking and Credit Card industries are costing us with the frauds that they are committing every day. This doesn't even include the bailouts we provided when they were too stupid to handle their own affairs properly.

Kilgore
Kilgore

I don't think anybody should ever have to pee in a cup as a condition for anything. Why would I make a special condition for poor people?

Kilgore
Kilgore

@baby I would not dream of denying your grandfather his bennies. The problem, though, is that you guys are just searching for useful excuses for taking what you can. You rant and rave about how broke the country is, but you darn sure are gonna get your scrap off the government corpse before it's picked over by all the so-called "moochers" aka Everybody Else. Hey, I'm a liberal. I believe in offering something to those in need. And if you're in need, by all means, take what you can qualify for. But don't give us any baloney about how you "deserve" this while others don't. That's my money as much as it is your money, buddy. The only way the Republican Dream of "small government" can ever be realized is for all of us to step back and say, you know what? I don't need this, I'm not going to take it. But we're going to take it. We always take it. It's just that some of us can't stomach admitting that we're takers, too.

Kilgore
Kilgore

@baby No, you didn't deserve it. Nobody "deserved" it. You pay your taxes because that's what is required for those who wish to live in civilization. Complain about your taxes, by all means; we all have grievances. But if you can justify taking anything you can get, there will be no end of it, and in fact, you will eventually get more than you paid into it. Once you start taking Medicare, chances are you'll get a lot more than you realize, and a lot more than you paid. Now we all took the money. I took it because I wanted it, because it's money and with money I can buy things. But I won't try to justify it. It was free money. It was not earned. What we did was engage in a simple expression of wealth redistribution. Now as far as those bums go...I find it interesting that we all complain about supposedly lazy people living off the public's largesse, and yet none of us are rushing to be poor and live it up like they do. It can't be because we're so noble and good and wouldn't take money we didn't earn; that's obviously not true, because we all took the money. The reason we aren't striving for poverty is because poverty sucks, even with public assistance, and so being the decent, thoughtful, and vastly wealthy country that we are, we have decided to follow the path of all similarly decent, modern, and wealthy nations, and extend a little help to those who need it. Unfortunately we'll always have plenty of those who scream about hand-outs while freely taking what they can off the government for themselves.

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

I put it in the bank figuring the leftists would reelect their American Idol again. Never know when I might need it since an incompetent failure was elected yet again. There is no telling what other ridiculous Obamatax is coming our way now.

What ever happened to that promise of no one that makes under $250k getting taxed one cent? Obamacare (ruled a tax by SCOTUS) nixed that lie, didn't it?

 

 

Now, enough diversions, back to  welfare leeches milking the gov't teat...

Another1BitesTheDust
Another1BitesTheDust

Oil companies? Really?

 

Oh, and your last sentence is laughable at best. Made up. A fallacy. A figment of your overactive imagination. A lie.

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

It's-was-our-money-anyway. I can't dumb it down any further for you.

 

Now, back to welfare leeches...

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

Hey Kilgore, You claim we didn't earn the measly $600 check you keep harping on. Where do you think that money came from? Do you think they picked it off of the money trees at the White House? It's our money to begin with. Tax $$. Our $$.  

 

Better move on to a new straw man diversion, this one just hit a dead end.

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

None of us are rushing to be poor on welfare because we make more $$ working that we would mooching off of the taxpayers, obviously. Also we have morals. We don't like to take advantage of others for personal gain. But keep those straw man diversions coming.

 

Also, I looks like you think we don't think we should help the poor. That is not true at all. We are talking about the people who take advantage of the system, not the ones who use the help as a stepping stone to get back on their feet.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzz If leftist elected Obama, and Obama received a majority of votes, doesn't that make a majority of voters leftists?

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Another1BitesTheDust I listened to the Republican rhetoric this election cycle, and they weren't too compassionate towards those in need.

Florida tried a similar system and the savings never came. If the testing doesn't save money, then what's the point? What's the point of testing at all?

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzzz And here I thought you worked hard. How do you find the time to watch Maury with welfare recipients everyday with a job?

Kilgore
Kilgore

@Zzzzzzz We've got a government that's severely in debt, and Zzzzzz and others surely believe they need to make cuts, but they think the sacrifices are for other people. I hate to break it to you gents, but when the cuts come down, we're all gonna have to take a bite out of that s*** sandwhich. If you really want your country to get back on track financially, you'll recognize that getting what you think is yours is not going to happen. And blaming poor people is fundamentally stupid. The people who deserve the blame are on Wall Street and in Washington.

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

OK, hold on, I'm going to go get my camera & start roaming the neighborhoods. -rolling eyes- Surely you aren't that naive.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzzz "Some sit on their ass all day watching Maury expecting the rest of us to feed, clothe, and house them"

Prove it. 

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

I go to work and get a check every week for it. Some sit on their ass all day watching Maury expecting the rest of us to feed, clothe, and house them. It's an entitlement mentality. Some people give them a free pass. Not me.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Kilgore  @Zzzzzzz What I have found in my experience is that when people complain about government assistance but still accept said assistance, they make an exception for themselves. They believe they deserved the money because of their particular situation, but everyone else is a freeloader. Multiply that by god knows how many people, and you have a good chunk of the population suffering from cognitive dissonance.

Kilgore
Kilgore

@Zzzzzzz It's typical of what is really plaguing this country; a "I gotta get whats mine" attitude shared by everyone from the bankers who get their bailouts and their golden parachutes, to the CEOs who claim to be anti-government except when they need the government's help, to the middle class taxpayers who have been taught to believe they contribute so much never realizing how much they're getting out of the deal, to the poor, many of whom actually do work but can't quite cover their bills. We're all in it for ourselves. That's the paradox of capitalism. We're all capitalizing on opportunities; it doesn't matter if they come from the private sector or from the government treasury. And nobody has the guts to admit that we're all connected to this thing.

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

 Yes it was our money that we paid in taxes. It didn't just appear out of thin air. Anyway, I'm done with you and your silly little $600 check diversion. Bye.

Kilgore
Kilgore

@Zzzzzzz No, it was never your money. It was the government's. It's called taxation, and it's what separates us from the Somalis and the other failed states of the world. If you don't like it, feel free to move. Good luck finding a decent society that doesn't levy taxes.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzzz Because you benefit from public spending. Why should I have to pay your roads? Because we live in a society, rather than lone hunters on the plains.

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

What does that have to do with welfare moochers? Nothing.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzz Did you personally cover the entire costs of the roads you drive on? If the answer is no, then you benefited from government spending.  Why should my tax money go to pay for roads in your area? They don't directly benefit me, so why should I have to cover the cost of something that is essential to you?

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

You are just trying to muddy the water and divert attention off of those who abuse our welfare system and trying to say I'm the same as them. Not true whatsoever. Up your game. We did earn that money. We earned it. Sent in our taxes, and they are using some of the $$ we sent in to give back to us. It didn't just appear out of thin air.

Kilgore
Kilgore

@Zzzzzz Oh, but you weren't quite noble enough to say, "no, I didn't earn this money. I won't accept it." You took the money. You didn't have to, but you did. Now you're just trying to justify it, and poorly.

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

I don't mooch, I work. I didn't ask for any check from the gov't, they sent it. Speak for yourself.

Kilgore
Kilgore

@Zzzzzz It just goes to show that most of us are quite ready and willing to be moochers, given the opportunity, and yet somehow we feel entitled to preach to the poor.

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

Quite astute of you.

Zzzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzzzz

No need to claim anything. Your words speak for themselves.

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzzz Confronted about your absence of any evidence to support your position, except for all that Maury watching you do, you claim that I am naive? 

Keep on fucking that chicken, all it guarantees is a Dem in the White House for many years to come.

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

Oh to be so completely naive. SIGH

 

 

 

 

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzzz So you ignore evidence that refutes your point because it comes from one of the most established new sources in the nation?

DO you have any evidence to prove that drug testing welfare recipients saves money or kicks users off of welfare? Where is the evidence used to justify such a program? Surely the drug testing wasn't done out of some sort of animosity towards those in need, there has to be some sort of data that indicates that welfare is being bled dry by drug users. Not anecdotes, but raw data that shows a widespread problem. 

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz

No NYT editorials for me, sorry. Having to take a drug test would act as a deterrent. If you knew you were going to be tested to get your check, you probably wouldn't get high. If you aren't high, you might actually go out and look for a job. Did the naysayers ad that into their little assessment of the program?

H_e_x
H_e_x

 @Zzzzzz The fact that Romney recently said Obama won the election because he promised gifts to minorities. 

Furthermore, the purpose of this is not to save money, it's to shame those who need government assistance. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html

Florida went through the same thing, drug testing welfare recipients under the guise of saving money. The savings weren't there. Do you have any unique knowledge that could explain why the program Texas is calling for will succeed where others have failed? 

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

What exactly did they say to lead you to believe that?

 

The point is to get people off of drugs and into the workforce.

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

Which one of these does drug testing and how about a link guaranteeing them the contract?

Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz

Who exactly? How about some names?

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