Patrick Hudson: Teen Wanted To Shoot Up Katy School, Leave Some Students Alive To Suffer With The Memories

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Patrick Hudson: Chilling plans to keep some kids alive
A 19-year-old man who allegedly planned to shoot up a Katy school before committing suicide has been arrested after cops were tipped off about his online bragging, police say.

Patrick Joseph Hudson, who works at a Rosenberg Office Max, dubbed himself "SS_Patrick" online in an October 1 posting and praised people who had been involved in school-shooting incidents, court documents show.

The documents indicate Hudson put some thought into how to get the maximum effect out of his plan, in a chilling way. The court documents read:

During the chat session "SS_Patrick" posted, "what better way to go out with a bang than killing a bunch of little kids. "SS_Patrick" then posts "and after that...don't want to live through the trails [sic] and jaile [sic]...so I off myself in the classroom.

Later in response to another chat that suggested he could shoot his brain all over them (kids,) "SS_Patrick" stated that he would leave a few survivors so that a select few would never grow up correctly.

"SS_Patrick" then states "not only did I fuck with dead kids. I fucked with alive ones too."

"The threat did not specify a particular school, but referenced elementary school children," the FBI says.

In his postings Hudson noted the average call time it would take police to respond to an incident, and talked about the camera he wanted to use to document the violence.

FBI agents contacted Hudson, who initially called the postings "a joke" based on song lyrics. Bond has been set at $100,000, the FBI says.

School officials aid they were made aware of the threat and that students were not in danger.

The letter Katy ISD sent home to parents:

October 3, 2012
Dear Parents and Staff:
Katy ISD was notified by the FBI yesterday that threatening statements were made by an individual in an Internet chat room towards an "elementary school." While no specific school or district was named, the district was made aware of the situation as the suspect lives in Katy. It was determined that there was no immediate threat to any Katy ISD district campus or facility as the suspect was in the company of FBI agents throughout the day. The individual was later charged and arrested for making a terroristic threat.
The purpose of this message is not to alarm you, but to let you know that potential threats are always taken seriously. Whenever potential threats are brought to the attention of the district, we will work with area law enforcement to determine its credibility and take the appropriate measures to ensure the safety of all students and staff.

I would also like to stress the important role we all have in keeping our students and schools safe. Research shows that in cases involving school violence, someone knew something about the threat but never alerted anyone. Please take this time to talk to your children about the important role we all have in keeping our schools safe by reporting potential threats to the proper authorities. The safety and security of students and staff members on our campuses is of the highest priority and by working together we can ensure that we provide safe teaching and learning environments.

Alton Frailey
Superintendent, Katy ISD

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martinezluisdaniel
martinezluisdaniel

I had class with him back in High School. He always drove all crazy and what not. He would always speed up on the school zone going towards school. I saw him get pulled over for doing well over 60 on Fry rd in front of Cy-Springs Going Towards Cy-Ranch. He would also always brag about all the money he had and other stuff. Played COD with him every once in a while and he would get a joy out of killing every zombie he could before dying. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he carried out his plan. I don't think he was joking about it one bit.

8--------D
8--------D

The guy went to my high school. He was clearly psychotic at the time and is most likely serious about this. I would'nt be surprised if he carried out his "plan" someday........

fourtwenky87
fourtwenky87

Really? This kid thought it was a good idea to joke about this? He should be in jail for being a complete idiot.

faMine
faMine

 @fourtwenky87 He is in jail you fucking retard, did you not read the article? You know nothing. Your turn to speak will come after you finish your assignment.

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

The FBI has to take every threat as a serious threat. Not that it is particularly similar but just to make my point as to why. They didnt take the threats on 911 as serious and then look. And everyone hated them for it. Now if they wouldnt have taken this serious and he did do something then they would be at fault for that as well. I understand that this guy may be a good kid. Seeing what so many wrote about him especially BGW1's reply to my earlier post he does seem to be a good guy that just made a very stupid mistake. However if the FBI were to allow people to keep crying woof. Then they would ignore it when it is a true threat.

Exited
Exited

 @lacey_nicole85 This was no threat, it was not called in, it was not emailed or made to any official forums. It was in a chat channel, with a max of 30 people... There was no mention of school or any other real information either.

faMine
faMine

 @lacey_nicole85 It's important for the FBI to take into account the words people say over the internet. Most of which is a lie, a façade. Everyone is here for this guy because we know he wouldn't spread violence, he wouldn't cause harm on children. He's not crazed nor does he have a reason to be. Bring up the bullshit about other killers and psychopaths if you must, but those are methodical thinkers with hidden agendas. They have cult followings, or anti-semetic beliefs etc etc

 

If the FBI can find no proof of any of those, they should probably back off.

paradigm84
paradigm84

 @lacey_nicole85 It wasn't even a threat, it was one of those things that people talk about like "If you were to rob a bank, how would you do it?", talking about how you would do something doesn't mean you will actually do it.

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @paradigm84

 Well if he did state in the beginning that. "IF i were to do this then I would..." and later said "but iw ouldnt do anything like that" then yes he should be aquitted. I agree. But if it wasn't made clear in then they do have to take it as a serious threat because they can not risk otherwise.

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @paradigm84  @faMine but as BGW1 said he made t seem real. And even when presented with the chane to say it wasnt still went with it. If you read his reply on my below comment.  

 

faMine
faMine

 @lacey_nicole85  @paradigm84 In a room of 10-15 people who he thought were close enough to joke with, it's a bit disappointing. Also, fuck Overclock.net. 

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @faMine  @paradigm84

 Actually since some people are thought to be more violent under the influence then maybe. I grew up on horror films so I know the whole saying I would do this in this senerio but I always make sure to say I would never or could never do anything like that though. Especially when what I am saying is being documented. I am not saying he is not agood guy. The bail may be punishment enough but as I said the FBI couldnt just let it go. Regardless of rather he was drunk or sober or joking or not. To them childrens lives were at risk. And they are letting him out on bail now because they do see that obviously he wasnt really a threat.

faMine
faMine

 @lacey_nicole85  @paradigm84 What if he was under the influence of alcohol? You make right decisions under that? It's not an excuse, but when you're drinking and speaking on an internet chat room, things tend to become awkward. It's the law of the internet.

paradigm84
paradigm84

Words on their own mean nothing, until the act has occurred all it is talking. Despite what many ignorant morons on here think, there is a huge leap from talking about something to actually doing it. 

faMine
faMine

Sensationalism at its absolute finest. You must be really desperate at the FBI to want to put this kid away. How about you go worry about real threats. You know nothing about Patrick Hudson. He's a great kid. To all of you who want him to rot in prison, you're worse than anything he's ever done. He's a saint compared to you.

BWG1
BWG1 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Here is a direct quote from my chat log: "(6:43:05 PM) SS_Patrick: I have to go wtih my store manager to a school tomorrow to hand out our donations"

 

Now there's the motive for being on his way to a school. This is such a travesty! Yes, the comments were stupid and he never should have told this fictional story, but the news has things really one-sided. You outside people looking in only know what the news tells you. No priors, no guns, just a really dumb story he made up in a chat room trolling.

ben.thompson2012
ben.thompson2012 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Good god, this is mass ignorance showing its face in full focus. This guy was in the wrong to ever make a "joke" about something like this, but so are we for judging someone we don't even know based on quotes that were most likely pulled out of context (others in the chat room are even corroborating that this is exactly what happened). And while we're sitting behind our screens wishing the death penalty on him when we know nothing about him as a person, a *real* sick bastard somewhere is most likely sitting in his room plotting an actual murder.

faMine
faMine

 @ben.thompson2012 precisely what is going on, this is the fucking core of america right here... the most retarded of all come out to wish death on an innocent kid 

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85 like.author.displayName 1 Like

To all those that say they "knew him" Ya people said that they knew all the other serial murders and sickos that commited horrifying crimes and "they never thought the person was capable of such a thing" no one every knows what someone is capable of. And it is a federal crime to even threaten such a thing. He should be punished for even making the threat. And to all of you are going to argue read this FEDRAL law first :

18 U.S.C. § 875(c) states: "Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any    communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any  threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this  title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."  From the wording of § 875(c) it is clear that the legislator did not require the element of 'intent.'  Thus, it is irrelevant if the accused claims he/she did not have the intent to produce any injury on the victim; the mere act of sending the e-mail with threatening messages typifies the criminal conduct. The holding in United States v. DeAndino, 958 F.2d 146 (US Ct. App. 6th Cir. 1992) confirms this statement.  InDeAndino, the court held: "A criminal statute such as 18 U.S.C.S. § 875(c) does not contain a specific mens rea element. However, such a statute is not presumed to create a strict liability offense, because mere omission from the statute of any mention of intent will not be construed as eliminating that element from the crime denounced." In other words, 'federal stalking,' as this crime is also known, is not a strict liability crime but it does require prosecutors to prove that the accused committed the offense.  Thus, the 'wording' of the e-mails and the e-mails themselves are critical evidence in these cases.  Threats of injury must be found in the e-mails sent by the accused.  As the Court held in DeAndino, the words in the [e-mail] message must fully, directly, and expressly set the elements of the statutory offense.  For instance, in Tuason, the wording of one of his e-mails said: "Mulatto kids are ugly freaks that should be destroyed. . . The blackie should be castrated. I want people in public malls, photo shoots, TV studios, radio, concerts, arenas, restaurants, NBC TV, Bravo TV, parties, sidewalks, etc. to stare and stab dead any blackie with a white girl like "SS". . . If not, I "HK" WILL BOMB THE PLACE."  These words are a clear example of threatening words of injury under the federal statute. Many other US circuit courts have followed this interpretation in DeAndino.  For instance, the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth circuit courts have followed this interpretation of 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) as not requiring specific mens rea (mental state of intent). DeAndino held that this crime requires three specific elements: (i) there must be a transmission in interstate commerce; (ii) there must be a communication containing the threat; (iii) and the threat must be a threat to injure the person of another.    Therefore, according to 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) sending e-mails with words threatening injury is a federal crime and can be easily proven by showing that it was sent to a person in other state, showing the e-mail, and the wording the e-mail contains.  Thus, individuals prompt to explosive reactions should be cautions when wording their e-mail messages.  A simple 'mistake' in wording e-mails threatening its recipient with an injury, even if not intended, may typify a federal crime with a harsh imprisonment sentence.

BWG1
BWG1 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Lacey, that's an interesting law. The entire Ohio State Buckeyes fan base should go to jail for what they say about the Michigan Wolverines. :P Good post though, very relevant, thanks.

 

I know this is a serious problem. I'm not trying to downplay the fact he should have never made the comments. But, he's a good kid. No priors, no guns. He goes to work and goes home every day. He's done quite a bit of scientific research for the folding @ home project which attempts to arm scientists with data that can lead to curing diseases. He's donated thousands in computer hardware to people who do the same. 

 

So, put yourself into his shoes and think about how you would react. You make up some sick fictional story in a private IRC chatroom, and the very next day you're being called a terrorist and in jail. 

 

The news stories are full of fallacies. One says the communication happened on a web forum which is 100% without a doubt untrue. Another says he's on his way to a school, well yes, he was donating supplies to a school from his employer. The only thing wrong he did was making up a sick and sadistic story in an internet chat room. Heck, every author who writes fictional horror movies creates the same type of stories. 

 

I know it's not an excuse or a reason to wash his hands of the incident. 

 

There are several of us who Skype with each other. Patrick is the kid that sounds like a 13 year old. :P Despite these pictures portraying a thuggish bully he's exactly the opposite.

 

 

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @BWG1

 

lol. you may just have to do that. And um DUH!!! If he was given a chance to say it was a joke and still pretended it was real. then Im sorry buddy you have take whats coming for so dumb. lol. Not saying he is dumb before everyone jumps my butt I am saying the act was  dumb.

BWG1
BWG1

@faMine /kick faMine Reason: Just as sick and sadisticly sarcastic!

BWG1
BWG1 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@lacey_nicole85 Oh no, he was dumb because he should have know better. The person who reported it barely knew him, and wasn't in the chat often enough to understand his cruel and lude sarcasm. He's a really smart kid, but this ones gonna cost him dearly. I hope everyone can learn from this incodent. The internet is not a private place, and what you say can be traced back to you.

faMine
faMine

 @lacey_nicole85 In the context of the internet, what he said was fucked up but it didn't mean much because everyone knows 98% of the internet is fake. Now, in the yes of the public, such as yourself, this is a serious threat that shouldn't be taken lightly. I myself would probably agree that the FBI could look into everything but, he should also be acquitted for no proof of actually plans, or instrumentation to carry out such an act. A psychological evaluation would also prove he's just fine.

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @BWG1

 for being so dumb. lol. Sorry my hands are slower than my thoughts.

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @BWG1

 Well if he is that smart then he should have done what all of those other authors do and state that it is fiction before he does it. or during it. Not after he gets into trouble. I have a friend with a sick sense of humor so I do understand and most people think horrible thoughts that they would never say outloud. But the thing is he did say it and he did say it as if it were true so all those whom don't know him see it as true. If he was joking he should have made it apperent at the time.

BWG1
BWG1 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@lacey_nicole85 @BWG1 Yeah, in talking with the person who tipped off the FBI, he was given the opportunity to do that, and he continued to act like he was serious. In prior discussions, he's done the same thing when he says off-the-wall comments like these. I know what you're saying though about the disclaimer, but at what point should we all disclaim the things we say. Next time I talk nasty about Michigan I'm going to insert a disclaimer to make it legally acceptable :P

lacey_nicole85
lacey_nicole85

 @faMine  @BWG1

 And you are quite rude. I posted the law. Things have to be taken seriously because the one time you don't take them seriously that's when you are going to wish you had.

paradigm84
paradigm84

 @lacey_nicole85  @BWG1 How many mass killers do you think openly advertise their forthcoming spree on a public chat forum for people to criticise?

faMine
faMine

 @lacey_nicole85  @BWG1 It's the internet. If you take all things on the internet seriously, you're probably a moron. If you're not a moron, you're the FBI.

avesgrace
avesgrace

@clayal10hoff my town, that k-town! Oh my duck.

clayal10hoff
clayal10hoff

@avesgrace go find him and kick his ass! lol

mike.heath77
mike.heath77 like.author.displayName 1 Like

ALL OF YOU THAT SAY YOU KNEW HIM AND KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SHOULD BE ARRESTED AS ACCOMPLICES ALL OF YOU ARE JUST AS SICK AS HIM THATS NOT SOMETHING YOU JOKE ABOUT 

ben.thompson2012
ben.thompson2012

 @mike.heath77 Now THIS is a fallacious statement if I've EVER seen one. By your logic, everyone on 4chan's random board should be arrested as an accomplice to James Holmes. And if you truly believe that, you should be sterilized as quickly as Patrick Hudson. I'm not saying this "joke" wasn't in incredibly poor taste no matter what the context. I hope this guy never reproduces. But your comment is as low on logic as this guy is on brains.

BWG1
BWG1

 @mike.heath77

 Mike, I'm sure you know someone who commited a crime, so why don't you save the authorities the trouble, and turn yourself in on your own ignorant logic.

 

Hey, I'm not saying this should be taken lightly as we would miss the real criminal who commits the crime. I'm just saying that when this is all said and done the guy never would have done these things. What a huge mistake he made here though. If you guys all had access to the chat log like we do you may see how he was led into saying most of these things.

Toot
Toot

 @kallie0509 I think you're full of crap. " In the future I guarantee he would have taken action "? How do you know? Did you know him? Were you in the chat room? No, you weren't and you don't know him at all.

 

Also, just a heads up. Learn how to speak correctly. It's " You all " not " Y'all ".

amarahosirissilverli
amarahosirissilverli like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Toot @kallie0509 apparently you're not from Texas. Y'all IS how you say "you all" before you go on a grammer nazi rant, make sure YOU know who and what you're talking about idiot.

kallie0509
kallie0509 like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @BWG1 @Dmanstasiu @G3RG   Y'all are full of crap.  This is sick and twisted and you don't joke about spraying your brains all over little innocent little children so they don't grow up correctly.  He might have been all bark this time, but in the future I guarantee he would have taken action.

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