Andrew Davis: Oklahoma Juggalo Busted in Face Paint after Hit and Run

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Andrew Davis: A Juggalo in jail.
Juggalos always try to claim that they are not a bunch of losers and criminals, that they are just fun-loving people who share a love of Faygo sodas and the splatter-rap music of Insane Clown Posse and the rest of the Psychopathic Records stable.

And then they keep on doing things like what Andrew Davis is alleged to have done in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. And the trouble is, when you run someone over and drag them 100 feet, all while hollering "Woot! Woot!" and wearing crappily applied black-and-white face paint, people tend to remember you by it.

(No one's ever said they were the sharpest cleavers in the butcher's block, as this blast from Hair Balls' recent past will show you.)

The Tulsa World, lead newspaper in a town evidently so rife with Juggalo-related mayhem that it is home to an Anti-Juggalo League, picks up Davis's tale:

The hit-and-run incident occurred around 10 p.m. Tuesday as the victim was walking in the 3800 Block of Ohio Avenue in northeast Bartlesville, a court affidavit stated.

Witnesses told police they saw a man wearing black and white face paint driving a black sedan swerve across the road where the victim was walking, striking him and dragging him down the street, all the while yelling along with a passenger in the car.

The victim, who suffered multiple abrasions across his body, was taken by ambulance to Jane Phillips Medical Center in Bartlesville.

Davis claims that he was merely accelerating his vehicle to get away from an assailant who had punched him through his car window earlier, and indeed, it does look as if someone was not particularly down with this clown. If you look closely under that panda-looking face paint, it does appear that this Juggalo's got a shiner.

Hell, maybe Davis was a randomly selected target in someone's own Punch a Juggalo Day celebration.

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random
random

well im a homeboy of his and i dont agree what he did but i hate people talking shit on juggalos im a juggalo and proud of it so fuck the haters that dont like us im always going to be down with the clown untill im dead in the ground and to the peoole thats trying to kill us juggalos try it and get ur self six feet under ground where that clowns will turn ur frown up side down and its whoopwhoopmmfwcl get it right.

painted auto parts
painted auto parts

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Bubble
Bubble

okay this is the kinda sh@ that pisses me off... i hate the fact that a bunch of kids think it's cool that they can call themselves "juggalos" & run around actin like a-holes & it's somehow "cool". being a juggalo is NOT about goin around & treatin every single person like garbage, beatin the sh@ out of ppl or running over them w/a freakin car! it's really about the outcasts sticking up for themselves & the friends who r more like family, enjoying life & not giving a sh@ about the haters who think they're better than everyone else. & painting the face is a symbol. juggalos r just a bunch of crazy a$$ clowns deep inside & the face paint gets rid of the identity(meaning we're all the same). it's not something to hide our faces so we can go out & commit crimes. granted, shaggy & j(icp) started out as a gang in detroit, but over the yrs, it evolved into a lot more than that. there's a lot of ppl out there who hear juggalo music & think it's nothin but a bunch of swearing & hate... truth is there's a lot of subliminal messages that most ppl don't pick up on. yeah, they talk about beating ppl up & murder but only to those who have hate in their hearts... like the ppl who get drunk & beat/neglect their kids, rich bastards who think the world bows down to kiss their feet, politicians who steal from the poor so they can go on vacation in tahiti... NOT regular ppl just walkin down the street. there's actually prayers & bible scriptures inserted into their music if u actually listen. they even lost a good amount of following just because of a couple lines in their sixth "joker's card". "truth is we follow god, we've always been behind him... may all juggalos find him". i've listened to "psycopathic" music for 10 yrs now. i spent 4 yrs in the navy, have 2 diplomas & no criminal history. i'm not an a$$bag nor a punk! most of my friends were juggalos & most of the ppl who have been there for me over the yrs have been juggalos. we never beat up ppl for no reason, lit buildings on fire or ran around commiting crimes, but i'll be dam^ed if anyone gets away with seriously messing with any of my juggfam. i say what i think & stand up for what i believe in & if you push me, i'll push back. fu+k all you fake b!tches who do stupid crap for no reason & think it's cool to hide behind the paint! you're just a pissed off punk & you'll get exactly what you deserve for giving juggalos a bad name!

I AM A WICKED CLOWN & PROUD TO BE. I'LL ALWAYS BE DOWN WITH THE CLOWN & IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU HATERS CAN KISS MY PAINTED A$$!!!

southern juggalo
southern juggalo

look not all juggalos are like this saying all juggalos are like this fucktard is the same as being racist or sexist not only that but what about all the other people out there who do the same type of shit he aint the first and all them aint juggalos so fuck all you haters learn tolerance for difference

Jeckellette
Jeckellette

What's with this all this hate for Juggalos/Lettes? We're people too, you know. In fact, your hating is just showing how shitty of people you all are. Pick up a fucking history book and look at all the shit haters have done. What are you people? A bunch of bigots?? You guys need to fucking lay off, seriously. All your hate is starting this shit. We haven't done shit to you. We're standing up for ourselves out of pain and fear! And you guys think you all are just by what you do to us? Insulting us and harassing us, killing our own?? You think we're sick? Take a fucking look in the mirror, you hypocrites! And yeah, our logo is a hatchet! What is the logo for US?? A GUN. Both can be used as weapons! But our Hatchet symbolizes freedom and protection. But yeah, it can be used as a weapon. Just like with the US gun logo. Think about it. And another thing I have to say... What did you expect us to do when you all started hating on us and beating on our own? Think we were going to take it?? No. It's called "standing up for yourself to bullies". Yeah. Go ahead and hate on me cause I'm a Juggalette. Cause I like something different than what you like. This is just like racism and sexism all over again... Fuck. And to all the fam out there, MCL to you all <3 Don't listen to these bullying haters. They have nothing else to do with themselves and they just think it's okay to bully other people. Wait till God judges them! Then we'll see who's on top! <3

Caitybug51
Caitybug51

The thing is i know the guy, he was pretty cool, guess after highschool he went downhill.Never used to be like this.

Scorpion The Juggalo
Scorpion The Juggalo

just in case the link doesn't work here is what the article said.

News

Bartlesville police: Man in makeup not a Juggalo

By Tim Hudson Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:05 PM CDT

Police now believe a man who allegedly ran down another man with a car while wearing clown-type makeup is not a “Juggalo,” as initially suspected, Bartlesville Police Chief Tom Holland told the Examiner-Enterprise today.Twenty-year-old Andrew Joseph Davis is facing charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon and leaving the scene of an injury accident as a result of a May 10 incident.Davis was arrested after police received a report of a man being run over by a car in the 3800 block of Northeast Ohio. Witnesses told authorities that the victim was walking northbound on the west side of the street when a black two-door car swerved toward the victim, striking him. The report states that after the vehicle struck the victim, “he was dragged approximately one hundred feet into his other neighbor’s yard.”The witness said that as this was happening, the two occupants of the vehicle were yelling “woop woop.” After hitting the man, the driver of the car reportedly backed the vehicle up before speeding away. Witnesses contend the car had been seen earlier in the evening driving slowly past the house. Witnesses also noted that the driver was wearing “black and white face paint.”A short time later, police stopped a car matching the description and found that the driver, Davis, was wearing black and white clown-like face paint. The passenger in the car was a 17-year-old male.At the time, police speculated Davis might belong to a group known as the “Juggalos.” Juggalos are fans of the rap act Insane Clown Posse and often wear black and white clown makeup to emulate the band.

“We don’t have any evidence to support him (Davis) being in the Juggalos,” Holland said today. “We know our Juggalos here. They’ve always been law abiding and, for the most part, keep to themselves. We’ve never had problems with them in the past.”

Holland said the investigation indicates Davis is not a member of the local group.

“There is a group of Juggalos that gets together here locally,” Holland said. “As a national group, they have their own slang (and) their own signs.”

The victim in the case was transported to the Jane Phillips Medical Center Emergency Room where he was treated for “multiple bleeding abrasions to his entire body.”

The case has garnered national attention due in no small part to the mugshot of Davis wearing clown-type makeup.

Davis is currently free on $25,000 bond and is set for preliminary hearing in the case on July 19.

Blasterkmk
Blasterkmk

plus a real juggalo would rep good for the hatchet if you wanna do something that tarnishes our name your not down you just think its a fucking club and need to listen to whats being said by godfather j again

Blasterkmk
Blasterkmk

this is why we do what we do to show all the hate that people have in there hearts because they don't understand us. hell i dont understand most of you stupid mainstream sheep asshole but i dont go around bashing your familly like you do mine. yes im pissed off and i gotta right to be but im not taking it out on anybody or nothin like yall do. if your not down with the clown go to hell and burn nicely for it lmao woot woot magic magic ninjas what

jdragonfly
jdragonfly

 The only personal or secondhand experiences I've had with people who called themselves Juggalos have not exactly been shining moments. One was a longtime internet friend who turned out to have lied about every single thing in his life (including a supposed girlfriend who'd been hit and killed by a car...), and two other charming young fellows who--get ready for this one, kids--stole my friend's parfait and ate it while she was waiting in a bus station. When I personally run across a Juggalo who isn't a total and complete loser, I will change my opinion of them. But for now, morons...the lot of them. Parfait-stealing morons.

Joeutsler
Joeutsler

As marginal as it might be, Juggalo culture which is the cultural extension and capstone of postmodern fascism, marks a militant resistance to "education." The Tea Party, for example, does not "need to be educated." Contra John Stewart, their "sanity" does not need to be "restored," and any time we dismiss these Juggalos on the grounds that they are simpletons, we ourselves become Juggalos because they already view themselves as a proudly ignorant minority. More to the point, they claim a "right to their ignorance." Thus, the Tea Party needs John Stewart's "Rally to Restore Sanity." They need to be called "idiots" and "buffoons" because idiocy and buffoonery comprise their very identity. They have affirmed these labels, and this affirmation is a a declaration of war, not an appeal for "education." For the Juggalos, the debate is finished, and what's left is the brute force of the tautology. And I mean brute force. Juggaloism is absolutely central to our current military occupations. Note, for example, the presence of nu metal both within military culture and representations of this culture epitomized by the band Drowning Pool who were "honored" that their music was being used to torture prisoners at Gitmo.

"Nothing wrong with me." A self-righteous sense of persecution used to justify a seemingly senseless violence. This is the new militant narcissism -a narcissus who will defend his precious echo with concentration camps and drone air strikes. This Juggalo declaration of war is a very real threat regardless of the numbers of actual practicing Juggalos because, although they might sometimes champion "democracy," the Juggalos operate by coercive force. They are authoritarian and fascist. They are the enemy. My resolution then is to identify Juggalos which is not as easy as one might imagine. As should be apparent by now, Juggalos do not always paint their faces nor are they always ICP fans. Instead, they are defined by this willful and violent affirmation of ignorance, an affirmation which may seem harmless now but, on this increasingly authoritarian planet, might soon come to be the dominant subjectivity.  

Toocleartosee
Toocleartosee

 fuck outta here if you aint down wit da clowns

deathtojuggs
deathtojuggs

fags.all of them are fags and should be burned 

DontBclownHatin
DontBclownHatin

 Too whom this may concern, First of all anyone who would judge someone because of how they dress or how they look or because of what music they choose to listen to, is just plain stupid, dumb, and obviously proves that they them self's have no character at all. I would hope that anyone that would judge some of this would hope to not be judged in that same way upon judgment day. One day we will all be judged and you remember that when you talk to your god and beg him for his mercy. I myself am now 25 years old and I have been DOWN (PAST TENSE) with the clown since Jack and Jake Jeckle AKA Jeckle Brothers album. 1999. I am Juggalo, if you don't like it FUCK YOU because I dont care. "All you motherfuckers r gonna die", "Your dieing everyday" So who gives a fuck. I don't. But you see MMFCL to the nephew and sorry to hear about your tragic accident involving your uncle. Hope the wannabe gets whats comming to him. And to the rest of my family who has been there for me when no one else gave a damn, I drink a faygo with ya any day. And to all the other fagots FUCK OFF!! None of us cares how u feel. I might just bust a nut in your macaroni.

Joeutsler
Joeutsler

By the way, we're not entirely judging you by how you look or what you listen to; those are byproducts of being judged by the crimes your group commits and the pride you take in your ignorance.  The look and 'tastes' simply demonstate that.

Jbruce
Jbruce

Juggalos like to play the judgement card, typically while throwing a homosexual slur at the same time.  Hypocrites. 

And for people blatting about not caring what others think, they sure do cry a lot.

bambampiercer
bambampiercer

In the suburbs outside Detroit during 1994 and 1995 — the years I followed horror-rap duo Insane Clown Posse's rise to local infamy — there was, I now realize, nothing more uncool than an ICP fan. In any parking lot, in any neighborhood that wasn't actually in Detroit, you could find at least a few cars that sported loud, giant stickers of cackling, murderous clowns in their rear windows. ICP was an inexplicable phenomenon, it seemed, and its fans — "juggalos" — quickly became legion.

My friend Chad introduced me to Violent J and 2 Dope while we cruised Gratiot Avenue in the summer of '94. This miles-long stretch of road cuts through what was once East Detroit but is now called Eastpointe. The teenagers who cruised it during this period were made up of that wanna-be urban type that sported baggy pants and spent whatever money they made working at Kmart on booming speakers for their lamely pimped-out Geo Metros. Oh, and listening to ICP.

It's important to understand the urban-obsessed, white suburban world of lower-middle-class kids that reacted the way I did to the same shimmering blue cassette that Chad slipped into his car's tape player out on Gratiot that night. ICP's debut, Carnival of Carnage, was rap, which made it cool, we thought. But it was also: A) by two white dudes who B) talked about such absurd, horror-obsessed subject matter that nobody felt like poseurs for listening to the music (which is, I imagine, how every suburban white kid felt listening to NWA). The fact that there were maybe two black ICP fans in all of metro Detroit should have shouted just how uncool ICP was, but we were too distracted by the herd mentality ICP promotes to notice.

That's the wonder of being a juggalo, I suppose. You belong to something bigger than yourself, a mythology that has spent almost two decades being developed around the imaginations of two ugly, overtly misogynistic, wrasslin'-loving nobodies barely from Detroit. Fans — many of them delusional — cover themselves in tattoos, name their kids after these guys, and even commit violent crimes in their name. Although I have not spoken to Chad in almost a decade, I would not be surprised to hear he has a ringmaster tattoo on his tricep, has a kid named Milenko, and is currently serving time for hacking up his wife with a hatchet (one of ICP's favorite weapons).

I, on the other, moved on after the summer of '95. Some call the juggalo lifestyle a culture, or maybe even a community, but I think it shares more similarities with cults — though I don't think Violent J or 2 Dope imagine themselves as messiahs of any kind. They've just enjoyed getting rich off the emotionally misdirected. For awhile there, I let them take advantage of me too. Then I grew up, and that's something ICP and many of their fans have never had to do.

That Guy
That Guy

Thinking about it, I'm now wondering if the 'victim' was a juggalo as well  (and it would not surprise me)... there may be more to this story than meets the eye. 

"This was my uncle that got ran over and drug 100ft. ... He's no Juggalo, they dont attack their own fam!"

Dropp Boxx
Dropp Boxx

I was a juggalo from age 10, until about age 18. In that time I was one of those "Die-hard juggalo kids". I believed in all of that family, and carnival crap (I believe in what the carnival stands for, but not the euphemisms they use to display it). I have the tattoos, the merch, and the memories of past concerts/gatherings that really meant to me that I was a juggalo. All of my friends were juggalos, and most of the intelligent ones still are.

But after a while you just need to grow up. That's exactly what I did. I became an adult, I realized there was more to life then just fighting kids, doing drugs, and wearing ICP shit to scare the public off. Most importantly I realized that being a Juggalo has NOTHING to do with family. Because that 1 juggalo that might help you out in a fight has 30 juggalo friends that are trying to rob you at the same time. If you've never been to a gathering do yourself a favor, and don't go. Or go, and have your entire wig flipped.

Being a "Juggalo" is a way of life for kids. It's a way to label themselves for one another. But into my 20's now I don't run around whooping at people, or paint my face, and I rarely even wear my merch (Except for my hatchetman, that has never left my neck, or the forearm it's tattooed to.). But at the same time I do realize that the REAL family atmosphere is being together in likeness. Unfortunately as years pass that only gets worse, and worse as well.

In closing, there really is no difference. And even ICP has said the same thing. There's no difference between a fan, or a juggalo, if you're going to represent the hatchet by coming to a show, or buying merch, or even bumping their tunes in your ride, YOU ARE A JUGGALO. THE WORLD IS FULL OF JUGGALOS THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!       

Joey
Joey

You're all missing the point clearly, I never said that ALL people that enjoy this music are trash.  I simply stated the statistics I've encountered point me to the conclusion that the MAJORITY of juggalos are immature, morally destitute, jerks. Please don't try to state your case because it is of no consequence to anything I'm stating, nothing I'm saying is pointed at a single person so don't take it upon yourself to be a "posterchild" for juggalos.   I don't care if you went to college, have a high GPA, or even a good paying corporate job. Scum is scum, and I thought everyone could read that implication in my posts.  None of this is character asassination, so again it's pointless to try an put a good face on for juggalos everywhere.  I simply just don't care, I base my judgement off of human interactions.  I don't mean to sound like a dick, but if anyone was smart enough here they'be able to come to the conclusion that was stated in my first post. Every group has it's bad apples....

Joey 

Hippo50187
Hippo50187

let me set the record straight for all u fuckin morons out there. just because someone paints their face and listens to icp DOESNT MAKE THEM A JUGGALO.  if u do paint ur face and listen to icp  then go do some stupid shit like this,,,U AINT A JUGGALO   we have a hard enough time bein juggalos as it is,  we dont need u fake ass bitches makin us look worse. grow the fuck up and learn whut it really means to be a juggalo. just cuz u claim to be one doesnt make it fuckin so. 

That Guy
That Guy

Like it or not, they're part of your family.  The general public could give a shit less if they aren't a 'real juggalo' in your eyes, and you're going to pay the price.

With any luck, the now international coverage of this story will pressure the local police to start cracking down on anyone reppin' the hatchet.

chez
chez

He reminds me of "crazy Joe Divola" from the "Sienfeld" episode about the Paliachi Opera.  Same kind of crazy looking loser.  Not suprising that this dude would get jacked in the face.  Maybe the clown said something that someone didn't think was particularly funny.  Next time he should dress/paint himself as a mime and keep his mouth shut! 

KWRNTND
KWRNTND

I'm 32, college educated with an A.S. in Computer Science, and make my living as a computer technician. I consider myself an intelligent person. I also like to listen to Insane Clown Posse and other Psychopathic Records artists. I enjoy it as pure entertainment, and ICP as entertainers. Anyone that claims allegiance as a Juggalo, but commits atrocious acts like this, is just another moron trying to use music or other forms of entertainment as a scapegoat. The coward cannot take responsibility for his own heinous crimes, and thats just sad and pathetic. Unfortunately, regardless of any defense, no matter how valid, this will reflect negatively on ICP. on ICP.

Scorpion The Juggalo
Scorpion The Juggalo

It shouldn't reflect negative on ICP or Juggalos. People need to look at the person who done the crime. He is the only person is this world that has the responsibility of his actions no one else. He will be the one who has to do the time. You can't just say, "oh, he is a Juggalo and he committed this crime. Let's arrest all Juggalos for this one guy's action.s"

Dropp Boxx
Dropp Boxx

I do not see any juggalos using their allegiance as a scapegoat...  The concerning thing is that they frequently flaunt their affiliation with a twisted sense of pride.  There are numerous news stories where they readily admit they are juggalos to the police after having been caught for some crime.

Bambampiercer
Bambampiercer

 You are quick to look for anything involving Juggalos so you can have something to talk about, and try to make Juggalos look bad. Yes this guy was dumb in his decision, but that does not reflect on all Juggalos. When "normal" people (white collared workers) go out an molest kids or anything else, us Juggalos don't put you all in a group,( including the author of this article) and say that all of you are equally bad or pathetic. People are people. There are good and bad in all walks of life and all income levels. Just because someone from one walk of life does something stupid, it should not leave everyone else pointing fingers in our direction. The actions of one do not speak for a whole group of people. Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers at groups and take these cases for what they are, individuals acting out. There are a lot of Juggalo groups out there doing charity work and helping out the community in many different ways. So, next time you want to write an article bashing Juggalos take a look at yourself and your peers because I just googled countless articles about writers and authors who have done some messed up stuff. Judge not lest ye be judged! MUCH CLOWN LOVE!!bambampiercer@gmail.com

twiztid_blunt
twiztid_blunt

I've listened to a lot of horrocore, ruthless music. (I'm an angry kid)  But until I listened to ICP i never once thought about a consequence of doing any of those heinous things.  ICP has helped kids like me think of a heaven and hell when we otherwise never would.  This kid clearly missed the message.  Or was drunk as shit and didn't even notice he was dragging somebody, and if that's the case, how many other times has that happened, and no one cared what music he liked.

Precambriman
Precambriman

Trudging through the prose and poetics of Truelordcanto, Malcolm McDowell keeps invading my mind with his twirling bats and toothpick eyes. Yikes

whatdafuk
whatdafuk

 I am down with the clown!!!

That Guy
That Guy

fixed:  I am a clown wit downs!!! 

Joey
Joey

hahahaha! I'm picturing Corky from The Facts of Life saying that. nice 

Joey
Joey

oops, you're right....wrong show. been awhile since I've seen either. 

jdragonfly
jdragonfly

 That's "Life Goes On." You sure you aren't thinking of Mrs. Garrett?

That Guy
That Guy

LOL - looks like this tard has made the national news...  America will have another juggalo to laugh at on tv!

http://www.fox23.com/news/loca...

Local Man Arrested In Make-Up, World Laughs

"“This is a serious crime that could have lead to a death easily,” Bartlesville Police Chief Tom Holland told FOX23. Now, Chief Tom Holland is dealing with an unexpected onslaught. “I've had a ton of calls from media, not just Bartlesville media, and just Tulsa or regional, we've had calls from Chicago and New York.” Every one wants a piece of this bozo. “There's been a lot of national attention from the thing,” Holland said. 20 year-old Andrew Davis' mug, the top story on the smoking gun."

Truelordcanti
Truelordcanti

here this may shut you all up, the last line that was spoken in this video “We're not assuming he's a Juggalo, and the evidence at this time would indicate perhaps that he's not,” Chief Holland said. i hope you can understand the point of this, or will i need to spell it out for you in smaller words?

Joey
Joey

Well this is an absolute travesty, both the crime and the dumbasses posting.  I'm a professional tattooist and I have to say juggalos are some of the most ignorant, seedy (in some cases mildly retarded) individuals I have come across time and time again.  Every time they come in wanting a damn "hatchet man" tattoo on their neck or hand all I can think is the low goals and aspirations to be nothing but a fry cook or a stockboy on the midnight shift at Walmart. Not to say those are terrible occupations as we do live in tough times, but the reckless decisions based on how "hardcore" the fans feel they need to be, in turn possibly ruining their overall career marketablity. This is not just relative to permanent mistakes one could make, but also the ones influenced by their peers whom may or may not share the mindset of our criminal genius in the article.    Lets face it any "scene" has their bad apples, but juggalos by far have some of the most despicable low lifes out there.  This is not a bash on their music but the remedial behaviour that is instigated due to the music itself.  basicly I'm saying most anyone, but not everyone who listens to this crap are easily impressionable lemmings incapable of individuality. Sounds familiar doesn't it, sounds like middle school huh?  The only half way good comment I can make about juggalos is that they are loyal..........very dumb, but loyal.

Joey

Scorpion The Juggalo
Scorpion The Juggalo

Wait a minute bitch, I'm a Juggalo and I make over $50,000 a year making copper tubing for big companies like Whirlpool, York, Trane, and GE just to name a few. Your a tattoo artist huh? That's funny one of my good friends is a tattooist also, and guess what he is a Juggalo too. So being that you are a tattooist and that there is a Juggalo tattooist out there that must mean you have the same low aspirations as a Juggalo right? Let's see, I have a couple more friends that are Juggalos, One of them works for Exxon Mobil and the Other Works for Tinker Air Force Base. So don't set on here and say that all Juggalos have low aspirations. My friends and I all make good money for our selves. We support our families and that's all that matters to use!

Opaqueninja
Opaqueninja

 You know, I understand exactly where your coming from.  I consider myself a juggalo because I love the music psychopathic records offers, and nothing else.  The only reason I continue to call myself a juggalo is because people like me is where it started, and that's where it needs to stay.  I have HUGE ambitions, I'm currently a sophmore in college with a 3.5 and I'm shooting for masters or more.  I want to spend my life studying mycology (a juggalo getting into science, quick get the press).  I don't expect you to take my word for it that not all juggalos suck ass, I just want you to know, juggalos started with fans of ICP's MUSIC, which quickly turned into psychopathic records (twiztid, boondox, blaze, and more).  Juggalos are turning into the pieces of shit you see daily.  But there's PLENTY of juggalos like me out there, who simply love the music and that's all.

    I'm trying my hardest to do good in life.  I help everyone when I can and I don't do anybody any wrong.  People piss me off, I have problems with anger I guess, I don't know.  I just know at the end of the day, when I sit back and listen to music about stabbing a pedophile, or a racist POS, it helps me relax.

Truelordcanti
Truelordcanti

 see now i give you props. you have a POINT to your post. rather than attacking someone else's post, you make a valid point. now just bc i dont completely agree does not mean i have the right to attack you as a person.(granted i attacked back when others attack an entire group) your right MOST people who call them selves juggalos are retarded. but not all of us. and i have to say that the number of "good" juggalos is very very low. but that does not mean it is right to judge all of us bc of the ones like the moron this post is about. odds are if you bumped into me on the street you wouldn't even know i am a juggalo. most times i have a small hatchet man charm on and thats it. and even when im decked out, im the kind of person who holds a door open for you or helps the old lady that drops her stuff in the store. my point thru all of this is dont judge all juggalos as the same. hell dont even judge this guy bc he calls himself a juggalo, judge him(and the rest of us) by his ACTIONS not by his clothes or his paint. every group has its bad seeds and bad actions, but that doesnt mean the whole group needs to be judged by what they are wearing. in a lot of places a hatchetman man gets you dubbed a "gang member" ive been pulled over and photos taken of me and my car bc of a hatchetman sticker. its not fair to group everyone together.

Joey
Joey

I thought I made it clear my judgement is based not on bias, but actions. I agree not all people who listen to the music and follow the lifestyle are pieces of shit. I must however state that as many as I have met and came in contact with make my point valid. I honestly only know maybe three people who enjoy this stuff who are articulate, productive members of society.  I honestly don't get the whole "I don't fit in so I'll conform to something to fit in" mentality so many juggalos have ingrained in their minds.  Honestly no one fits in, and no one is normal because that is all very subjective. Take me for example, I'm a heavily tattooed guy(neck & hands included) and I don't get tattoos because I think they make me look cool, badass, or hard; I get them because its me, not for the sake of being counterculture, but for the sake of it being a spiritual process for me to give or recieve.  I can't say the same for the ICP type music, nothing seems sacred or spiritual about it.  I REALLY wish  the retards would stop making it out to be a "family" , you don't know every single fan, share intimate thoughts, or your life with other fans every day. That is not the truest definition of family, be it by blood or friendship. The ICP definition of family is closer to fanatical, which is just about the same as being a true deadhead. ITS FOLLOWING PEOPLE, not FAMILY, just because you look, dress, and listen to the same stuff you are not family.    Now I realize this is more of a rant than having a point, but please hear me out; I'm asking you to be yourself, know yourself, and be an individual. Don't even dare to say you are an individual by being a hardcore juggalo....you have alot to learn about yourselves still.  Truelordcanti, this is not directed at you even though its a reply, this is more of a general post.

Joey

Scorpion The Juggalo
Scorpion The Juggalo

I just want to through out my opinion on why I say its a family. Short story, I had met this guy who was a Juggalo, only known him for like a week and I had gotten his cell phone number from him. Well my car had broke down and I needed to get to work. I called everyone I knew and no one could help me out. This was like around 7am, anyways I figure what the hell I'll give that guy a call. He worked nights and had just gotten into bed for the day. I asked him if he could help me out with a ride to work and home from work. He said, " No problem homie that's what Family is for." and he did, gave me a ride to work and home from work. The next week he was on his way to work and it was my day off. remember he works night? Well I was asleep and he called me up saying that he thinks something is wrong with the clutch on his car and asked me if I knew anything about cars. I told him a knew a little and that I would be right there to help him out. Well I couldn't figure out what was going on with it so I called up a friend of mine that also happens to be a Juggalo who is a grease monkey. He got up got dressed and came to help us out and we got his clutch fixed. That's what the whole FAMILY thing is about. If I know your a Juggalo I'll help you out any way that I can. Now if you just met someone and you had a problem like that and had no where else to turn do you think that stranger would help you? probably not unless they are a good hearted preson but, nine times out of ten that wouldn't be the case. MCL to all my Family out there

Truelordcanti
Truelordcanti

 i like your point and agree with it completely in principle. i feel no kinship towards this low life just bc hes painted or may listen to the same music as i do. however the family i refer to is a group of juggalos who think along the same lines as myself (including my posts on here) and the music is what brought us together in the first place. we were all outcast for some reason or another. my reason being that i am a highly intelligent person. this caused a lot of problems for me growing up. no one likes the smart guy, and teachers hate to be corrected. so i didnt fit in any where. i had few friends and when we heard icp for the first time we thought it was funny stuff. then we got into it more. since then ive met people thru the music and the clothes and ya there are a lot of stupid people in there but ive found the ones worth keeping. we dont start problems, dont do drugs, and only fight when it is called for it. so dont get me wrong, this guys not MY fam, but people like him bring heat down on MY fam. 

That Guy
That Guy

I'm sure there were some good nazis too... 

Scorpion The Juggalo
Scorpion The Juggalo

Yep, Have you ever seen the movie Schindler's List? Its about a nazi (Oskar Schindler) who put jews to work in his factories. He demanded that he have jews to work for him but not as slaves. He did that so they wouldn't be sent to the concentration camps to be killed. He saved thousands of jews. http://www.ask.com/wiki/Schind...

Truelordcanti
Truelordcanti

 actually you are correct, if you know your history, many assassination attempts on Hitler were made by people in the Nazi regime. so yes there were some good nazis too. but i do think this is a topic best left alone. and to compare a juggalo to the nazis is a bit far stretched. it also makes it look as tho you are grasping for straws 

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