Underground Footage From a Texas Dairy Farm (Not for the Weak of Stomach)

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Undercover footage from a dairy farm southwest of Amarillo shows workers crushing sick and injured calves' skulls with pickaxes and hammers, and tossing dying calves on a pile of dead ones in the back of a truck -- acts that one animal welfare group says violates state cruelty laws.

Gathered by an investigator for the non-profit Mercy for Animals, the disturbing footage showed what MFA Executive Director Nathan Runkle called E6 Cattle Co.'s "culture of cruelty and neglect." Chosen by Mercy for Animals at random, E6 raises calves for use on dairy farms; managing about 10,000 animals at a time.

Although E6 owner Kirt Espenson told Hair Balls that the four employees violated the company's policy and were subsequently fired, Runkle said his investigator reported the actions to Espenson many times, only to be brushed off. Ultimately, Runkle said, Espenson bought a single low-caliber gun to be used on the calves; he also told workers to deny medical care for crossbred calves, Runkle alleged.

In addition to the crude use of pickaxes and hammers, the footage shows one worker stepping on the neck of a prostrate calf and workers using a dehorning iron to cauterize the horns of bull calves without any anesthesia. (In one scene, workers use an instrument called a disbudding scoop to rip out the horns).

Runkle said he presented the footage, and a detailed complaint, to the Castro County District Attorney's Office.

"The evidence demonstrates an ongoing pattern of torture, unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering, and failure to provide necessary medical care," Runkle said. "We are urging the Castro County District Attorney's Office to promptly arrest and charge the owner of this facility, as well as all involved workers, for the unacceptable and malicious cruelty carried out...at this factory farm."

Espenson told Hair Balls that his company "takes full responsibility for what happened to those animals....I am deeply saddened by what happened on my farm. The actions in this video are completely unacceptable and do not reflect the policies that we have here. We have strict written protocol for animal care and euthanising the animals....We have veterinarians here that are helping to update all our protocols to meet the American Association of Bovine Veterinarians, and blunt force trauma is not an acceptable way to euthanize a calf."

He added that employees are now rigorously trained and that they sign a code of conduct.

Runkle also provided testimony from leading veterinarians, including Temple Grandin, an associate professor of animal science at Colorado State University and an animal welfare adviser to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

"The living conditions for the calves were filthy. It is obvious that both the management and the employees have no regard for animal welfare," Grandin stated.

We'll be following this and will keep you informed.

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Ipl laser hair removal

very serious issue. Needs to be think upon the welfare of animals too. They are also the GOD'S creature.

Rjf2009
Rjf2009

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Rjf2009
Rjf2009

Who are the sick *ucks with the axes?

Time for mental institutions.

God will get you. I am praying for that. In some way. Some how. When you least expect it. You will get what you deserve. Shame on you all.

Rjf2009
Rjf2009

Do we really need sick humans like this? Really? What excuse is he going to spew? He deserves to be hit a few times in the fat old head himself.

Please someone, anyone in Texas if you have any kindness....check his home and land for dead babies. Really.

This is the standard for Texas? Figures. Sell the place to China Please and let them eat ThEM!!!!

Rjf2009
Rjf2009

Kirt Espenson - you are in my prayers that GOD takes you. So we don't have to see your fat sick face anymore. This world is too good for the likes of you.

Come on Texas WAKE UP - hit this guy with an axe. he deserves it.

Hey China, Would you like to buy Texas?

Me
Me

These people are sick. Why would you do that to a poor calf? These people will get what's coming to them in the end.

Janet Weeks V
Janet Weeks V

Please friend me on Facebook, Nurse 3766, and let me know where these petitions are for me to sign. I will post and cross post and Tweet on Twitter. We CAN'T let these crimes go unpunished! http://www.facebook.com/veganf...

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i just called the DA and left a message, which was nice, since i could have my say, but i really want to hear this guys intentions as far as prosecution goes. i also informed his office that petitions are starting on the web to put him out of office if he chooses to do nothing :)

and folks this is how change is instituted one consumer, one citizen at a time. i doubt this guy wants hundreds of phone calls a day :)

Janet Weeks V
Janet Weeks V

Here in an interview is Kirt Espenson's explanation for what happened on his "farm."

http://animalbeat.org/espenson...

After listening to the interview, I have several questions for Mr. Espenson:

Why were those calves not protected from frostbite in the first place? How many calves were so severely damaged by the cold that they had to be "euthanized" or rather bludgeoned to death? Why did Mr. Espenson take on more animals (10,000!) than he could adequately protect from extreme cold weather? Are the facilities not temperature controlled? Was there no heat? One of the basic requirements of good husbandry is providing adequate shelter, is it not, along with clean water, decent food, and basic medical care?

I did not appreciate the way Mr. Espenson tried to deflect guilt by implicating Mercy For Animals' agent for not coming forth immediately. It was the agent's objective to gather a sufficient body of evidence to prove a pattern of abuse and not some isolated instance, as industry frequently tries to claim. Where was Mr. Espenson all this time? Why didn't he know what was going on at his farm? Why did he not put one of his "75 trained employees" in charge of "euthanizing" the frostbitten calves? Why were untrained individuals given this task?

I have a very hard time believing that MFA's agent took any part in the abuse unless it was the "job" he was assigned to do by his employer (Mr. Espenson) and he was forced to take part, however half-hearted, to avoid blowing his cover. What training was MFA's agent given? Mr. Espenson takes full responsibility for putting four untrained workers in charge of killing an untold number of frostbitten calves and leaving them unsupervised and, apparently, without proper equipment or training to do the task.

Mr. Espenson said that he fired the 3 employees before the video was released and that the men had probably left the country. Were they employed in this country legally? Did Mr. Espenson notify authorities of their criminal acts of animal cruelty before he fired them, so they could be arrested, charged, and prosecuted for their crimes?

Finally, E6 Cattle Co.'s owner, Kirt Espenson, claims it's "humane" to kill a calf using a "single low-caliber gun" and that it's standard industry practice to gun them down, apparently, while several other calves watch, trembling in fear, awaiting their turn. Far more humane than watching a fellow infant calf getting pickaxed to death. Does this accurately represent what animal factory farmers would have the American public believe?

Without answers to these questions, and with legislation moving forward in three states--Ohio, Florida, and Minnesota--to shut down undercover investigations and to criminalize whistleblowers rather than the bad farm owners and the animal abusers themselves, it is clear animal factories have much worse they are trying to hide than this "isolated incident." Mr. Espenson accuses MFA of trying to "run him out of business." If there hadn't been any pickaxing and bludgeoning and burning horns off of unanesthetized infant calves to film, there wouldn't have been a problem. Mr. Espenson is NOT the victim here! MFA wasn't there to run him out of business, but rather to expose any problems IF they existed. If Mr. Espenson takes full responsibility for the criminal actions that occurred at his farm and the tragic and brutal deaths of the infant calves, then he is duty-bound to man up, pay for his crime, and serve some serious time.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

LOL i read his statement saying he was appalled and heartbroken. only thing bothering this guy is that he got caught just like any criminal. im sure he will have a religious conversion next.this guy needs to be prosecuted and it needs to be a felony. ultimately i am responsible for LPNs and CNAs under me and the physician is responsible for what i do in his name. there is responsibility to the owner operator of any company or organization in relation to what their subordinates do.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

not to mention the owner was clearly present while this was happening as seen in the video.

im afraid the videos will be "to prejudicial" and wont even be seen in court, so the next logical step is to go after the DA the city/county and apply pressure. i went to that counties web site and they have no email contact. i will post the DAs phone number in a minute i need to go find it again.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

District Attorney

James Horton

Castro County Courthouse100 East Bedford Street, Room 213Dimmitt, Texas 79027

Phone: 806-647-4445

County Attorney

James Horton

100 East Bedford, Room 213Dimmitt, Texas 79027-2643

Phone: 806-647-4445Fax: 806-647-2089

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

I know... more than 10,000 animals and he's a "family farm". It really does seem that animal industries want intelligent people to suspend their wits when judging perceptions to just take their word for it.

Now, about Espenson being unaware? If you look at this video - at 1:10 we can see that he is being asked the question: So it's okay to use the hammer if we can't find the rifle? And he asserts that it is as he walks away disinterested and removed from the whole process. http://www.the33tv.com/videobe...

There was no "slip" in standards by employees --- The "slip" was totally in Espenson's control and knowledge. And I do hope that officials take this video into account as proof of such and bring full justice to those responsible for these murderous crimes.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i watched it and i heard what he said. why is anyone surprised that this factory farmer is a liar.

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

To have such brutal acts like these go unpunished is part and parcel for this industry. I once heard someone in animal ag say "We're going to kill them anyway, so what does it matter how we treat them?" Obviously this is the sort making and enforcing "laws".

That's the trouble - There are "systems" in place that regulate and monitor "humane" treatment to these animals. Yes, there are "less harmful" methods of killing suffering "livestock". They go through great lengths to publish these... And to educate workers on procedures. It presents it's self to the public to be so "orderly": AVMA supported and "recommended by *experts*"... Still, who oversees these procedures? With 10,000 animals - How can anyone with any authority even hope to audit things properly?

I say it was MFA and other groups that expose these horrors that do the job quite well! Now, if only we had a court system that doled out the legitimate legal consequences. I know if I were an animal "producer" I would demand such, lest my entire "moral" stake in "food animals" be seen as the farce that it is!

Janet Weeks V
Janet Weeks V

This is an outrage!! Espenson probably will NOT serve time, according to Castro County District Attorney, James Horton, because the jury will NOT be impartial. Let it be known, the EYES of this Nation are WATCHING the Texas judicial system. This had better be a fair trial and justice had better be served--for the animals who suffered egregious abuse and cruelty before death.

"... the company’s owner [Espenson]—who admits responsibility for the abuses—are not likely to serve time in jail, according to Castro County District Attorney James Horton.

"In a telephone interview Thursday with Animal Policy Examiner (APE), Horton speculated that jurors pooled from the largely-agricultural local area would not want to punish E6 Cattle Company owner Kirt Espenson or his workers with incarceration.

“'We’ve got cattle-oriented people here in this county,' said Horton. 'All we’ve got is feed lots and dairies… I doubt if a jury in this county would do that to this guy. They might fine him, but there wouldn’t be prison time or anything like that. That’s what I think now. But I may be wrong.' ~ Katerina Lorenzatos Makris

http://www.examiner.com/animal...

RayProck
RayProck

Here is a compilation of over 30 farmer blogs I have seen in response to the Mercy For Animals video of calf abuse from Texas. Coming from farmers who care greatly for their animals the common themes all the posts have is outrage, anger and disappointment towards those committing the cruelty. http://wp.me/pw1pI-9M

Janet Weeks V
Janet Weeks V

I care, Nurse 3766, and I congratulate you on making the ethical choice. Like you, I was convinced to ditch dairy after seeing the hell the animals endure from birth to slaughter, and not just from this current episode, but in undercover videos of factory farm after factory farm, from California to New York, and/or slaughterhouse and/or auction block--the animals are treated like commodities without care or feeling. Like you, I could no longer be complicit in the rampant cruelty intrinsic to "modern" factory animal agriculture, in which animals are forced to fit into a business model and endure a grossly unnatural existence. Gone is good husbandry and care for individual animals--in its place is corporate greed and concern only for profit at the animals' expense. The calves who were viciously slaughtered in Mercy For Animals latest undercover video were the innocent victims of human morality gone terribly, terribly wrong.

Drpat
Drpat

Factory-farmers always always try to say that the abuse is an isolated incident, but it is simply not true. Animal abuse is widespread and well-documented. Anytime someone turns on the video camera, they can find abuse because it is standard industry practice--and for a very good reason. Abusing animals adds a large percentage to the profits of factory farmers. The more animals are crammed into smaller spaces, moved quicker through assembly lines, and treated as machines instead of the creatures they are, the more money they make. That's why the tail-docking, castration, debeaking and overcrowding are standard practices. It's cheaper that way...i.e., more profits.

Last year, spokespersons for the egg industry admitted that grinding live chicks up in a wood-chipper or suffocating them in plastic bags was standard practice. That they can advocate this with a straight face tells us about the depths of their inhumanity. Christian conservative Matthew Scully, deputy director of presidential speech writing for George W. Bush, had this to say in his book Dominion. "In its current form...the AWA [Animal Welfare Act] is a collection of hollow injunctions, broad loopholes, and light penalties when there are any at all..." and "...the persistent animal-welfare questions of our day center on institutional cruelties—on the vast and systematic mistreatment of animals that most of us never see." When conservatives like Scully begin writing books about the cruelty, people should pay attention. The right-wing is not usually willing to denounce lucrative business practices even when they entail gross abuse-- of animals, the environment, or anything else. Transparency is necessary to stop it! Three cheers for the videographers who are willing to go into these disgusting factories and document it.

Scarletclover
Scarletclover

This is what happens when producers get cheap and decide not to have a veterinarian around to make sure that the animals are properly cared for.

Rachel P
Rachel P

I'm not sure why you are all even wasting your time trying to get this guy to grow a brain cell, I honestly think anyone is too stupid to put up the arguments he is putting up. He is just trolling for fun. No one could be to stupid as to think that treatment like this is unusual. In fact it is very commonplace and it is the reason that so many people are vegan and speak out against it. Come on now, Oh Brother, you know better. Or........ DO you?

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

I'm sure your gullible group believes everything you just typed, Rachel. Really pathetic if you ask me. There really is a sucker born every minute.

Rachel P
Rachel P

Thought you were leaving? Go along, now.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

opps i accidentally clicked like on this:Oh Brother [Moderator] 40 minutes ago in reply to Oh BrotherSK- You are the one trying to tell everyone this is the norm, therefore the burden of proof is on you. There are standards that dairy farmers meet. Something tells me you will never be happy with any standard that is set. But by lying and saying this type of treatment is the norm surely negates any credibility you might have had.

i meant to comment on it: SK said she would provide multiple video proofs from a number of sources. i also can provide them but we both know you wont have the balls to look at it. so shut up.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

At least someone with a brain will read this and see the truth in it.in reality i know i am wasting my time with him. :) t hats ok. It is very hard to remain civil when dealing with people like this, because as you say, who could be that naive. but then again, i was on his team 2 weeks ago. i have to admit i was very ignorant, and TBH I did not want to know about it. i could not believe things like this were going on in the United States.

Really what if these were puppies??? would this guy be up here calling me names and saying i think im superior because i dont bash in puppies heads????

Now that i know, i cant for my own sense of justice continue to be a part of it, now if someone else can, that is his/her prerogative. my only reason commenting on this blog in the first place was to say we dont have to do these horrific things we as a society should be better than this PERIOD.

and we as consumers can influence change in society by not supporting these COMMON practices

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i also want to say, nobody converted me. i made an educated choice based on the facts available at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...one of many many videos i watched. im just a nurse i dont get paid for activism or anything like it. i came on here to let people know there are better choices for food and alternatives that have as much protein and less fat than any dairy product.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

(no one cares how you became a vegan)

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

So people that eat meat and consume dairy products are all ignorant? Once again, you imply you are better than the rest of us.

These aren't common practices. Saying they are over and over and over and over isn't helping your incredibly weak argument. We aren't as naive as you would like.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

brainwashed? that really is "the pot calling the kettle black." so thats your final answer? to all of this? to the video? to the multiple cases with video evidence? thats your answer? im stupid? im brainwashed?

go google ignorant because your ignorant to the words definition and proper usage. im eating an apple right now mmmmmm and im a vegan once again just in case someone cares

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Is that what they tell you, Rachel? Everytime? -rolling eyes- Poor thing. Doesn't even know propaganda when it's fed to her on a silver plate.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

But I've wasted enough time with you superior vegans, preach on from your little soapboxes. I'm going to go enjoy a well balanced, nutritious meal now.

Rachel P
Rachel P

lol- you ARE so very naive- you believe everything the big businesses tell you! Do you know that every single time an organization goes undercover at a factory farm or slaughterhouse, they find cruelty this bad? Every time.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Don't pretend to know what is common practice. You've been brainwashed by activists with an agenda. Speaking of ignorant...

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Who exactly appointed you the authority on who's ignorant and who isn't?

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

Calves are removed from their mothers within hours of birth... They are never allowed to nurse - The boys are sent off to become veal in a few months or are sent to the slaughterhouse within a week or so. Also, don't the cows go to slaughter too (crippled) at about 5 years old when they are no longer "productive". These ARE common practices in the dairy industry and most people are not aware of this...

Just as in the egg industry most people don't realize the male peeps are ground live or smothered at only a day old. This is common practice too.

Just as in the "pork" industry pigs spend their entire lives confined in sheds unable to even turn around... The only time most get to use their limbs is when they get shoved through the slaughter line. This is common practice too.

If these industries weren't so hell-bent on deceiving the public and keeping these things secret a lot more people would be aware. Why do you think they're trying to pass legislation to ban filming animal agriculture? Because it's videos that inform the public. It is not wrong to be ignorant due to deception... But it is unforgivable to remain so by choice.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Don't try to crawfish, it's not going to work.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

if you are not ignorant >(meaning unaware or unknowing of a fact) then you are condoning this because you say you are enlightened? BTW i didnt call you ignorant, you did. i feel the need to define ignorant as this guy seems offended by that word.i said i was very ignorant in re: to how these places operate.it is a common (perhaps all to often is a better way to say it) practice and numerous undercover videos show that. oh and Im a vegan (just wanted to be sure in case anyone cares :P)

SkyJunkie
SkyJunkie

please do follow up on this and keep us posted. Thank you for your diligence.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i went vegan last week. i went to the foodlion and i didn't buy my usual milk 5$ two ice cream $10 cheese $4-$8 or any other product with casein, whey or milk. hmmm thats approx $20-30$ per week so multiply by 52 weeks thats easily 1000.00 per year that the dairy industry will never get from me. these greedy people are despicable and so is our government who not only covers this stuff up but

Laura Farrell subsidizes the agro industry. our treatment of animals ranks right up there with our treatment of the elderly and children. this i CAN do something about this. I write to officials and i can stop buying any dairy. folks be sure to check labels for casein and whey (these are hidden dairy ingredients).

Laura Farrell Also there are many dairy/meat alternatives try almond milk, its close to the same price of milk if not cheaper and has 40% less saturated fat, not to mention no hormones or antibiotics or diseases like e.choli from cows with non stop diarrhea from being fed corn.

AlexK
AlexK

Oh Brother, you are the one who keeps bringing up whether somebody is better than you or not. This is NOT about ego, you don't seem to get it. At least, it's not about MY ego or Bea's ego or Laura's ego (I can read what they wrote), but it seems to be about YOURS. This isn't a stupid pissing contest about who is better than who. That always seems to be what people like you say to cloud the REAL issue which is what is being done to these animals and how to stop supporting that - veganism. Veganism is about compassion.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the one on here trying to convert people to meat-eaters. I'm the one on here telling everyone what they are doing is wrong. Uh-huh. Of course it would seem that way to you since you are obviously one of them. Butt out.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

SK- You are the one trying to tell everyone this is the norm, therefore the burden of proof is on you. There are standards that dairy farmers meet. Something tells me you will never be happy with any standard that is set. But by lying and saying this type of treatment is the norm surely negates any credibility you might have had.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i would also like to know what they do with the male calves born on the happy dairy cow farm...i can cite multiple sources for footage of the reality of these factories (cant even call these places farms really, its an insult to REAL farmers) and none of them are any nicer than this video.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i want to see that footage as well.

SK
SK

Omnivore, can you back up what you're saying with facts? I'd love to see footage of these happy cows from an independent investigator, not a dairy industry lobbyist. Looking forward to getting that from you!

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

(still no one cares you are a vegan)

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

BTW, my World view is not "shaken up" in any way, sorry to burst your little bubble.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

SK- Surely you realize this particular video in no way represents how the vast majority of dairy animals are treated, right? It is surely NOT the norm. Don't misrepresent the facts to push your agenda. I won't fall for it like some of your usual gullible audience would.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

the reason not to support this industry is the horrendous abuse. not to promote veganism. you can stop eating dairy without being a vegan, good grief. i only just changed to being vegan after seeing the inexcusable torture and abuse these animals suffer all for big business profit. not supporting the industry speaks to them in the only language they understand...finances. thats why im happy when 1 more person rejects dairy. and thats why i say 1000$ the industry they wont get this year. if there is nothing wrong with this industry, then just say so and move on.

SK
SK

I'm not judging you, but it does seem incongruent that you would claim above you have a problem with how the animals are treated, yet intend to continue consuming dairy products. You're showing some cognitive dissonance here - which is understandable, it's hard to have one's world view shaken up. Would you like me to show you footage (done by other organizations not related to Mercy for Animals) of other dairy farms so you can see this is indeed the norm, and Old MacDonald's happy farm is, sadly, a thing of the past?

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Riiiiiiiight, keep telling yourself that. "but if one person wakes up thats another thousand dollars or so the industry wont get this year."

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

im not trying to convert anyone to anything, the video does a nice job of that all by itself.

Omnivore
Omnivore

(No one cares what you eat, or don't)

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

Actually... 10 billion U.S. and 57 billion world-wide innocent, sentient, beings care what we eat or don't. As well as 1 billion starving humans who don't get grain because we fatten animals with it instead. What we eat matters very much Dear Omnivore!

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

I do not enjoy or condone the video one tiny bit.

P.S. I thought you were done talking to me?

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

nobody is judging you, except you.it seems to me you are very defensive for someone who sees nothing wrong in this behavior.it seems for some reason you are very uncomfortable saying you enjoyed or at least condone the video.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

SK- You are right, what I eat is my choice and my choice alone. No one is judging me? HA. Let's get real here, shall we?

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Bea- "inferior"? the general public is "ignorant". Thanks for proving my point for me.

By the way, you can save your little propaganda websites, I don't click on them.

SK
SK

It is hard for omnivores to see footage like this and continue with the diet they've been eating up until that point. Many do, but it causes extreme defensiveness - as we see above. Oh Brother, what you eat is your choice and your choice alone, and I certainly won't judge you for it, but there is no reason to lash out at those who choose to be dairy-free because of the cruelty of the industry. If these kinds of things don't bother you the way they do the rest of us, then just enjoy your double cheeseburger and moooove on. ;)

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Just showing there are alternatives=do as I say or you will be accused of contributing to the cruelty of animals raised for meat. Once again, you aren't fooling anyone.

I thought you said you were done talking to me? Did you mean it this time?

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

It took me 50+ years to educate myself to the reality of why my indoctrinated and unquestioned diet was inferior. If at any time I would have been approached by someone who gave me valid information in an intelligent way, I would have been vegan decades ago. This is not a matter of winning any argument... It's a matter of defending the innocent and redirecting so many misconceptions about meat/dairy/eggs. Why won't you consider that these industries do an awful lot to keep the general public ignorant? Seems like it is this animal ag industry that needs to get over it's self. And especially out of the pockets of taxpayers that subsidize their deeds. http://pcrm.org/news/dr_barnar...

Let's just stick to the facts. Stop name calling and attempt honest discourse. Thank you.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

im seriously not trying to boast.I am very happy with the choice ive made,and i am just showing that there are alternatives. whats wrong with that?

what is wrong with you, that you have to continuously be on the defensive and the attack. and as of yet, you have not made it clear what your position is on this video. i think maybe your a blog troller who just likes to start fights.

Have a Nice Day

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Is that why you insisted on telling the World you are a vegan? Surely it's not to boast. No way. Surely it's not to imply people who aren't vegans are living wrong. No way! Get over yourself, you aren't fooling anybody.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

1st of all, nobody said, or even implied being "better" than anyone else. you are pulling that out of your own paradigm. i mean your own beliefs>(this way you wont have to google the big words)

you are for some unknown reason trying to put words in my mouth. Apparently you have no logical, reasonable argument other than trying to make people who dont participate in the industry, be the bad guys..Im done talking at you, as it seems obvious>(apparent to everyone) that you are incapable of talking in a logical reasonable manor.

i said it before and ill say it again you, sir you are childish, unless of course you are a child which would make this conversation moot>(not needed)

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

The only ting I'm "angry" at is you people thinking you are better than others. Always preaching. Always with your nose stuck up in the air. I've got news for you.Humans are omnivores. Always have been, always will be. All the whining in the world is not going to change that. It's time you step off your high horse and come back to reality.

I hate to break this to you but you would have to be a hermit living in a cave not to use hundreds of products made from animals in everyday life.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

actually Bea, i was just trying to somehow connect with this bone head. hahah. in 1 week or so ive seen so many of the COMMON dairy practices, ie calves tortured, tossed out on the road sick and dying like trash and trust me this is by no stretch of the imagination an isolated event or video, and also being a RN, the disgusting, unsanitary way dairy, and meat and poultry are routinely processed, i doubt i would ever go back. the reason i believe most folks like omnivore here or oh brother are so angry is the simple fact that they are culpable in whats happening and dont want to acknowledge any responsibility for it. so i suppose hes right that we are wasting key strokes but if one person wakes up thats another thousand dollars or so the industry wont get this year.bea look for me on facebook Laura Farrelland unlike those other guys i have no problem using my real name, trust me the government knows it :)

Omnivore
Omnivore

Mind your own business instead of constantly trying to convert everybody.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

i am sure you are correct as far as this blog goes however,i am one of millions abandoning dairy. i guess you dont understand what im saying so ill type really slowly..... i loved meat eggs cheese etc but after I watch HSUS videos and the glass walls video by paul mccartney i could not in good conscience contribute to the problem. that is my position and when the industry changes i will go back to being an omnivore. im not trying to change your mind, im just stating my opinion. i dont see why you cant just come out and say nothing is wrong with the video or the industry if thats how you really feel.

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

Every time you post you prove my point for me. By all means, keep posting.

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

"And you think you are somehow better than people who eat meat. I think it must be a self esteem problem. You have chosen to be vegan to feel superior to others." Honestly it's not a matter of being better than anyone... It's a matter of making choices rooted not in ritual or habit but rather in thoughtfulness. Let's face it 95% of people who eat milk/meat/eggs do so without any consideration or knowledge of the consequences. This is how the industry and our culture indoctrinates us to things that would normally be quite repulsive to us.

Now, as far as being judgmental or feeling "superior"... I can't think of anything that stands more in judgment than one who encourages and participates in the killing of an Other. Especially if that killing is for frivolous reasons - like taste buds. There is no "need" to kill these animals - What justifies doing so?

Oh Brother
Oh Brother

And you think you are somehow better than people who eat meat. I think it must be a self esteem problem. You have chosen to be vegan to feel superior to others.

Nurse3766
Nurse3766

Bea does :Pyour so childish.

BeaElliott
BeaElliott

Hi Nurse 3766 you might find (like my husband did) that after not eating animal products for a while the "thrill" of it becomes quite trite. In just a few weeks/months you'll adapt yourself to different foods and tastes... Further, you'll research all the reasons why a plant based diet is a better choice. The web is filled with millions of delicious recipes that mimic, replace and surpass animal products without all the issues of health, sanitation, processing, preservatives, chemicals and so forth. My suggestion to people is to try a plant based diet for an earnest 3 months. As many I think you'll find yourself wondering what the "draw" was in the first place. Good luck on your journey - You obviously care and want to do the right thing. ;)

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