Hudson Lounge Comes Under Fire For Supposed Racist Practices (UPDATED)

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The Hudson Lounge: Racist or not?
Updated with more allegations. See the end of the item.

Last Wednesday, the Houston Press Twitter page was inundated with quick terse statements from our followers calling out the chic Hudson Lounge in Rice Village for being overtly racist after a party of African-American revelers was shut down early the night before, without any warning by the management on duty at the time.

We made a call to the bar soon after the business hit Twitter and spoke with manager Keith Thompson, and we were also in contact with a handful of partygoers through email and our personal Twitter account. Both sides had obviously radically different tales to tell.

The bar's management said it was told a few days before that a small party of only 20 would be coming in on Tuesday night, December 28. Thompson said that the bar made preparations to have two bartenders and a waitress on hand to service the crowd.

As the night progressed, this promised crowd of 20 grew to at least 150 people as Thompson stated to us on Wednesday afternoon.

At a bar as small and generically genteel as Hudson, on a Tuesday night, this is a recipe for disaster.

The story from the Hudson folk goes that once the crowd hit extreme capacity and Hudson couldn't handle the rush, they decided to shut down early, at 11 p.m., an hour earlier than their quoted last call tolling at midnight on Tuesdays.

This was contradicted by the posting on the Hudson website and on Yelp, which lists 2 a.m as their usual closing time on Tuesdays through Saturdays. Sundays are noted as early nights, closing at midnight. This was an oversight according to Hudson management, which claims that the listed times were incorrect. The sites have still not amended the hours.

Thompson told us that the owner, Adam Kliebert, made the call to shut down the bar early due to the crowd, not because they were scary black people, but because his bar couldn't handle the business. He further stated there were verbal complaints in regards to the closing, but that no one got violent or outwardly aggravated, aside from the understandable frustration. Most of the party would later move on to The Flat off Commonwealth to finish out the night.

In the wake of the incident, CultureMap's Caroline Gallay spoke with Kliebert, who defended himself from racist accusations by saying "My fiancée is Latina. I am not a racist person and I had nothing to do with the booking of this party. How can I be racist if I'm marrying a Latin girl?"

CultureMap's coverage of the incident was surprisingly straightforward, considering how much the site's team had trumpeted the opening of the bar for the past few months, even going as far as proclaiming in the late fall "like a Palm Spring mirage, the bright-eyed Hudson Lounge has emerged as the Rice Village warehouse district's den of all things posh."

KRIV's Emily Akin gave Kliebert a laughable cellphone browbeating on camera with a patron from Tuesday night. Kliebert and his staff went into damage control mode with Facebook apologies and the usual words of regret everywhere else on every channel of social media. You can read their epic-size apology here.

Everyone who was at the bar and the abruptly canceled party repeatedly pleaded on social media and even to this writer that they were "upscale black patrons" and thus were not to be of any trouble to Hudson. That in itself seems awfully backhandedly racist, coming from the very people who are alleging racism.

One commenter, named JS, says "The owner just saw black people. What the owner was too stupid to realize is that about 20% of the black people there that night were lawyers. Some are even partners in law firms."

That very well may be, but that in itself is a tick inflammatory. If they were black postal workers or bike messengers, would it have made it more understandable to shut the bar down? No, because it would still be racist, their vocations not withstanding.

On Wednesday, Hair Balls came across a flyer for the event, which doesn't quite match with the party planners' official line to Hudson that only 20 people were to show up at the soiree. It lists five promoters, a claim of no cover and no line, and even lists a number to text in your RSVP.

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If you are planning a small event with a dozen and half people, you don't make a flyer like that unless you are planning something much bigger in scope. Take it from someone who works with party planners and bands: if you put out a flyer, it's for maximum draw and effect.

At the end of the day the whole incident seems to Hair Balls to be a big ball of misunderstanding wrapped in a juicy layer of hurt feelings. Hudson Lounge and the party planners both seem to be at a stalemate. As of this time, Hudson has made their apologies and seems to be going about business as usual, judging from their Facebook.


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Miss Niecey
Miss Niecey

Being engaged to a Latin girl does not indicate that you are not racists? What a dumb fucking statement. I guess if I'm married to a Puerto Rican man than I am not racist towards Whites?! If you are not racists then there is no need for any justifications. If being married to someone of another race makes you not a racist, then are those married to their own in any way racists?

comment
comment

The Rice Village has become gentrified with pretentious types. Who goes there to party anymore? Getting kicked out of a bar there is the only cool thing you could do. If you didn't get kicked out, then you were doing something wrong. What the f*ck is wrong with Houston these days? This comment thread to this story is all messed up by people who actually care about getting kicked out.

comment
comment

Bring back the Caribanna reggae club with 3 for 1 happy hour.

Support the troops!

Christian
Christian

This story is now intriguing! I'll be going to Hudson Lounge tonight and for those who prefer to be Categorical based on actual personal experience ... I suggest to make the same arrangements as well. Let's all enjoy a good time!

Christian Tan
Christian Tan

FACTS ARE FUN... YET, LOGIC IS WAY BETTER!!! FIRST OWNER'S Inexperience or IS IT? 1. Any business owners should know that there are laws of physics (finite/ limits) and in this case: Capacity of the Venue. (Hudson Lounge = 400) 2. If you own a professional business, you should be aware of potential changes and expect the unexpected.. That said! Business owner's should also have plans to properly execute these potential scenarios... but that's basic! 3.) Profile: Architect. "I think it's safe to say he's fully aware of these basic elements" 4.) Let's look at the FACTS: There were 150 people that night well below the Capacity of Hudson Lounge that's 400, making the 20 people that were "expected" a sweet wishful thought... "Questions that comes to mind: Where are the contact numbers of their emergency staff? or even outsourcing a company like Carlton Catering has staff's for $20/ hour and given the numbers of people there that night, the ROI (Return On Investment) on alcohol alone would be starting at-least 200% then Gratuity (Tips) collected can be used to pay for staff's wage along with 15% bar pull for the promoter! "It is not logical to close your shop when you have more buyer's at your front door!, instead you find the means to attain that goal. - Sending people away from your business could only mean "1" THING, ... YOU DON"T NEED THE MONEY! - which in this case the owner of the place didn't need the money! If it's not about the money, then is it about the race of the people? No because even other race that was there also got sent out! THEN it must be the "UTILITARIAN" approach!!! People got sent out because there was not enough specific targeted class the owner's were looking for! "Birds of the same feather flocks together!." Same Feather has nothing to do with race, whether you finished or not finished college, how nice your cars are, or how big your house is. It's really just the way how you feel and understand along with others like you. Conclusion, it's safe to say the owner's of HUDSON LOUNGE didn't send everyone out because of money issues or racial issues, they were simply stating the Hudson Lounge is just for their flocks of feathers! SECOND PROMOTER"S inexperience or IS IT? 1.) You did everything right! 2.) You did everything right! 3.) At the end... it's just a variety of Country and Rock and Roll... nothing to do with racial discrimination. 4.) The capacity excuse Hudson Lounge made was ridiculous... and I'm sure the owner's are also disappointed how little creativity that excuse was! =) 5.) But there will be more excuses in life... You will get over them! 6.) Let's go over to Hudson Lounge I'll buy you a drink!

dmaj
dmaj

If the bar owners were racists, they wouldn't have let them in to begin with.

Kyle
Kyle

The bar owners don't work the door. They show up hours later and order a shutdown and then lie about how many people were expected.

Erintut29
Erintut29

Pretty simple way of thinking dmaj; we've moved a little beyond Jim Crow as a society, even here in the deep South. Racism is more subtle than apartheid, you know, and many people therefore can't discern it.

Jeff J
Jeff J

So Kim H, when he said, "Because we are..." you gather that is racist. Did you pay a fee to be there? A deposit? If no, then the owner has the right to close it down whenever and for whatever reason he wants to.

Concerned White Person
Concerned White Person

Anyone that owns a bar in houston has dealt with "angry black people". Often times you do nothing to cause harm, but that "angry black person" thinks its the color of their skin that brings it on. Why do the party promoters have to make the distinction that they are young professionals? It seems to me they are saying they are different than most black people. That they are "not the same" because they are professionals. Isn't that racist? Anyone in the hospitality business has had an unpleasant experience with a black person. There is a reason why servers think black people are rude and don't tip. Even black servers believe this. Doesn't this whole incident make you feel that if you own a bar, restaurant or club that you don't want to book a "black" party? Who wants the grief?

Gideonplebe
Gideonplebe

Concerned White Person,

You ask: "Why do the party promoters have to make the distinction that they are young professionals? It seems to me they are saying they are different than most black people. That they are "not the same" because they are professionals. Isn't that racist?"

Not knowing the difference between social class and race is perhaps why you've earned the moniker of 'Concerned White Person' versus 'Educated White Person'.

Prileykant
Prileykant

Good question, Concerned White Person

You've made a number of great points here, so let's see if we can help, one at a time as it were.

Dealing with an 'angry black person' might be similar to dealing with an angry white, asian or hispanic person: determine the source of the anger, and resolve it based on the merit of the irritant. Address the complaint and move on.

Why they raised the issue of class and stated that they are 'young professionals'? This is to underscore the fact that they were kicked-out rather unceremoniously not because they didn't belong there on a class basis, as they were mostly in line with the bar's regular clientele in terms of education level, employment and so on, but because the owner had a problem with their 'otherness', meaning the color of their skin. They're helping you here, drawing a distinction between themselves and those people of color who might not fit in at all in your estimation: gang-bangers, manual laborers and that ilk from the dreaded lower classes. (Sorta like those you called 'rednecks' in your earlier example).

Personally, I don't like places that segregate based on class, and I think that some of the aspirational folk here go a little beyond the pale. But, as far as this argument goes, the behaviour does indeed seem indefensible. Unless your ethics amount to: they do it, so why can't I. And I know you're better than that, right?

Kyle
Kyle

They made the distinction as a pre-emptive strike against people like you who would compare them to rednecks trying to book at a black club. But you didn't give a fuck and you went ahead and did it anyway.

Concerned White Person
Concerned White Person

I want to know does anyone think that if a "white person" went to a "black club" and tried to book a party if they would be okay with it. Would they let it happen? Would they be okay with the party if 150 rednecks showed? I don't think a "black club" would book a "white party" especially not a redneck party. Would that be racist? Probably not, it can only be racist if you are not white.

Prileykant
Prileykant

Think you might be missing the point. We're talking here about roughly co-equal groups in the same socio-economic class, meaning about the same educational level, professions, earnings etc...except that this group is black/brown, instead of the normal mainly white clientele. That's all. And they were treated differently because of that one factor.

To your second point about whether there is discrimination elsewhere in society: yes, certainly. So, let's end it all. Why say this is the way things are, and this is the way things should be? Or why say 'they are barbarians, and we should be too'?

Descriptive v. normative, as another bright person pointed out here.

Krogensagen
Krogensagen

Let me go against the grain: I don't think the heart of this story is about racism. Here's a hint: Adam Kliebert's FB page lists 'Sarah Palin' as a big like. What is Sarah Palin really against that Adam might have embraced in opening Hudson Lounge?

Awkbyrd
Awkbyrd

Hands up! It's laissez faire writ small, on a local level. Screw the regs and make like water around a rock in a stream. Much like the salmon of Alaska do!

Gary Packwood
Gary Packwood

150 new customers hitting a club with a capacity of 400 at approximately the same time own that club.

It's not manageable.

But this is the last time in Houston, Texas we will ever hear about this again as every club owner has already met with their insurance people and attorneys and a policy has been drafted should this ever happen again.

I suggest the only way to admit 150 new customers in a club with a capacity of 400 is via three tour buses leased to A-A-A!

But the victims sure got their fair share of virtual ink.

Restrepo76
Restrepo76

That's interesting Gary. Guests to the many parties that I've hosted have never shown up at the same time, as much as I've encouraged them to. It's always been within a range of a few hours. But I guess it was different with these people. Maybe they're the most punctual people ever! showing up at 9pm on the dot, and despite the logistics problem that would have created with valets and parking, just converged...sorta like a barbarian horde.

Gotta ask these promoters to help me with my party experiences; they must be other-worldly to bring everyone in simultaneously.

Kyle
Kyle

Sure it's manageable. Most of those people went over to The Flat, which is far smaller, and the staff called in extra help and managed. GM Thompson seemed to be managing fine at Hudson until Kliebert allegedly showed up and put the kibosh on it.

de
de

And they aren't allowed to (legally) go over the occupancy count that's approved by the City and the Fire Marshall. A club that small couldn't safely hold the number of people who showed up.

Kyle
Kyle

Hudson Lounge has capacity for 400. Fire code capacity should be managed at the door, not by shutting the place down.

Anyway, does anyone honestly believe a lounge would let you take over the music playlist with a 20 person group? But Hudson did let them run the music.

Exleywes1
Exleywes1

Except that the UPDATE states that the event planner from Hudson told the promoters that the bar's capacity was 400.

de
de

Closed at 11 pm on a weeknight. That's 3 hours early, not 1. If they were indeed inundated by a large group, I guess closing early may have been the only choice. You can't turn people away or ask them to leave without causing more problems.

A Thorn in Dawn's Side
A Thorn in Dawn's Side

Dawn you are so hip by coming to Houston Press to "read" a story about a lounge that you old washed up self would never go to but say who gives a care because I don't. Talking down to people and being a bitch for no reason than just to be a bitch. If being as old as you are is being bitter, evil, and I'm guessing not getting any because you're releasing your sexual frustrations on here then god help us all to not be like you.

How can you run an business servicing people with an ugly attitude like yours. I bet your so called bar is about as classy as those who refuse service and entry to minorities. I mean blacks are loud and deserve to be thrown out or have an event shut down because of it even if the aren't. You have issues and it's showing that it's deep rooted issues in race because you have been fired about this from jump without reading the article.

For someone to not care what anyone on here thinks you sure come back to read what we have to say and respond about it. So who gives a rat @ss that you don't care about this story and what happened, move on to the next story you do care about and post your meaningless drivel there.

FYI those who give a care are the ones posting, if not, they're being a douchbag like you. You're old enough to have a business of 20 years but you act like a child coming on here having a tantrum because you can't recognize that people were wronged. Yeah Dawn, how mature and classy of you.

Guest
Guest

@Thorn

For some reason, you seem to have some deep seeded issues. And you think that by calling me washed up and old...that may hurt me or upset me. Really? Grow up.

Sexual frustrations - yes, that seems to be completely apparent in me voicing my opinion on two sides of a story that doesn't seem to hold water - in my opinion. Gee, you're so deep and seem to know me to the core. (Oh and when talking about God, generally it's correct to capitalize the 'G'.)

How can I run a business? Very well, thanks. And I don't own a bar. So, that shows just about how much you pay attention to anything that's remotely accurate. And, again, yes I said blacks are loud - is that really what you get from me?

Again - I don't have a business of 20 years. But again, I know it may be hard to follow and read and comprehend when you seem to be so angry. If you want to attempt to be accurate, I'd be glad to let you know the extent of my business's, when I had them, what I own now and my experience in the live music/art venue scene.

Please stay on topic - this isn't about me. But for some reason you're making it about me. And, really, I'm flattered. It's almost like you are infatuated with me, and my old wrinkly assed douchebagged self. Switch to decaf, take a breath and relax. My opinion doesn't really matter, as much as you want it to.

Guest
Guest

@Comteformag

Assumptions make one look like a moron. I don't listen to Hannity, Limbaugh or O'Reilly. As I stated many times are there no contracts? Was there nothing signed on either side regarding this 'party'? Where is any proof of weeks of meetings with the Hudson?

That's all I've said. I can postulate that a crowd of 150 people....in a bar...with one waitress...would get rowdy and loud or annoying. It's common sense.

Having said that, when I say "don't play the race card" again...it's common sense. Because on the news, and in this story it's pointed out that they must have been thrown out because they're black.

@ClairetheCarebear

I'm really sorry you seem to put in a lot of work to not convince me of anything. But my question stands...didn't you say.. "I'm hearing conflicting reports from both sides. Without a contract & video, it's hard to tell who to believe now."? That's all I'm saying.

Galenangeloo
Galenangeloo

Interesting that these guys plan to open a boutique hotel around the corner from Hudson Lounge, according to CM anyway.

Guest
Guest

@A Thorn In Dawn's Side

Dear Thorn, If you don't care, why write. No one is forcing me to post, really? Duh. Just as no one is forcing you to read my drivel.

My ass is wrinkly and old and white - good one. Ow.

I don't read little acronyms when one thinks they're way too cool to type like an educated person.

Oh, and I can respond to anything. Even what you attempt to present as a comment.

A Thorn In Dawn's Side
A Thorn In Dawn's Side

Dawn Claire and everyone else may be civil enough to not say this but you bring nothing to the table in this forum. You are being disruptive, an ass, and a true bitch. You talk about not giving a rat's ass, bla bla bla, I don't have to read the story and all types of other BS that it's clear that you want attention by your responses alone.

If you don't give a rat's ass about this story then no one is forcing you to post here. Then you want to say people are pouncing on your old wrinkled white @ss for no reason. Bish please, GTFOH with that. You want to riled up about the people in this story playing the race card, then you pull this crap about people pouncing on you for no reason at all. Come on son, GTFOH with that. If you can't take what are civil responses to your tactless posts, then GTFOH. You keep coming back and responding to people. If you don't care then show it by staying the f$#& off the d@#$ comments. Point blank.

Schmelzer21
Schmelzer21

Dawn: "some of you have the misconception that I give one hoot on any kind of personal level about any of this."

Us: Dawn, we do in fact believe you. Please just give it a rest for a while.

Justice Tirapelli-Jamail
Justice Tirapelli-Jamail

Quote from Dawn: "I think I just may have to go get a job at Houston Press and see just how many people I can piss off.....as a profession."A: They would never hire you.B: You aren't as shocking as you think you are.

It wouldn't let me post this as a reply to Dawn's last thread, plus I "like" buttoned it on accident thinking it was the reply. Whoops.

Thomas_d_b
Thomas_d_b

Oh, for the love, has everyone completely lost their mind? I am unsure which side has lost it more. A swank often caucasian patronized bar was taken over by a crowd typically not represented in mass at the establishment. There was panic in the air. What to do. The owners and managers made a bad decision..... maybe. I am from New Orleans and use to run two places in that great city. A bar and a restaurant. The fact that this crowd was full of professionals is of little consequence in fact it was probably a factor in the decision. there is an event in NOLa called the Bayou Classic. I would always choose to close during that event. I tried to stay open the first few years I was open during that weekend, but realized it was unrealistic. My staff would work very hard and get very little in return. I would end up paying them cash out of my own pocket at the end of their shifts. I got the balls to put it out there. I have been in the service industry for all of my professional life and done every job. It's just a sad reality, and one that I along with so many others in the industry don't understand. I am sure there will be a lot of clamoring that I am a racist, but I am a realist. If your bread and butter is how much you bring home in a night then it matters. As for anyone being shocked that this happened don't be. Houston has more bars and clubs than any other city in U.S. There are bars that don't make me feel all warm and cozy and I don't go there. I am Native American, Irish and Spanish, and most places are accommodating, but others are not. If I go to bar that seven days out of the week is mostly patronized by Asians and I decide I want to have a party there I should not be in a state of shock when things go tits up. Now my friends are not headdress wearing horse riding engines, but thats not really a factor is it.

Cluncyeva
Cluncyeva

....think you go distracted there, Thomas....you were about to make a point?

I'm guessing it's close to this: "It's just a sad reality, and one that I along with so many others in the industry don't understand. I am sure there will be a lot of clamoring that I am a racist, but I am a realist."

To which my ethics professor would reply, "Yes, Thomas there are ways that people behave. And there are ways that people *ought* to behave. We are here today to establish the latter....

ClairetheCarebear
ClairetheCarebear

You're not pissing me off, I suspect you're pissed off all on your own since you're the one that's come across very heated. Everyone who's responded to you (Saddam excluded) has done it in a respectful manner. Once again Dawn, I have not assumed or accused you of being racist so please stop saying that I am. That's not contributing anything to this dialouge in any way.

Believe me, you're not important for me to want to convince you of anything, but I'm simply pointing out how you're contradicting yourself and replying to it. You wrote:

"I am commenting this from the standpoint of reading this story,"

"I can imply what I think a crowd is - loud, obnoxious what have you...because I can."

If you're commenting from the standpoint of this story that you supposedly read , then how can you later write I can imply what I think the crowd was, loud and obnoxious? The planners and guests there have said from the very beginning that they weren't. Hudson Lounge claimed on FOX 26 on-air that the crowd was rowdy (and then told the GM to shut it down after claiming he never spoke with the GM in a later article on Culturemap). Then in this article, Hudson Lounge concedes the gathering wasn't loud or rowdy. I think that's a big deal being that you're saying Hudson Lounge had cause to shut that gathering down because they were being loud and obnoxious. Doesn't make alot of sense for someone to say they're commenting this from the standpoint of reading this story and then say they were loud, when the article didn't say that.

You're correct there are two sides to this story. However, one side hasn't changed their story since this story was brought to light last week, while the other has changed it multiple times:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/...

Any reasonable person would wonder if one side has changed their story so many times, it could stand to reason that they're not being truthful. That side would be Hudson Lounge who has changed their story each time a new report comes out about that Tuesday night.

So what that you ran a business for x-amount of years to know the ins and outs, and how you've treated people? None of that means that every other business like yours rans theirs the same. You may not have discriminated patrons but it doesn't mean other places in your same field haven't even until this very day. As stated in the article that you claimed to have read, the answer to your question is there. Hudson Lounge said no contract was needed and both Hudson Lounge and the planners met in person weeks before the event.

Look Dawn, you've made up your mind long before reading this article you claimed to have read. If you had, I think you'd be questioning Hudson Lounge and why they have constantly changed their story. Read into what you want that isn't there, you're free to do so but it would be prudent to this exchange of dialogue that you be honest and stop saying, "I am commenting this from the standpoint of reading this story" when you're clearly not.

Crogers8788
Crogers8788

I cant believe that some of you actually write a book each time you post and expect someone to read it.

Comteformag
Comteformag

Like many listeners of Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly, I think Dawn cherishes repeating this: "don't play the race card". (Or in Dawn's case don't "pull the race card"). Which is a simple way to dismiss an argument before having it. So it sorta figures that Dawn didn't read much of the story. When someone claims racism, just remember to say: "Hey, don't play that race card with me!"....and all problems will vanish, stat.

ClairetheCarebear
ClairetheCarebear

Maybe you may want to calm down Dawn. I haven't called nor have I implied that you're a racist. I am saying that you may not being truthful in claiming to have the entire article posted above and accounts from people that were there in the comments. If you had, you wouldn't keep repeating if they're loud, shut the place down. As pointed out, the college alumni that gathered weren't loud. You have every right to have your own opinions but you're basing your opinions on non-facts and therein lies why several people have commented to you.

You may have a hard time believing that simply because the gathering was made up of mainly African-Americans, that it was the reason for Hudson Lounge shutting the gathering down. That's fine and dandy but just because you have a hard time believing it doesn't dispute that the planners were told to their faces that their look wasn't the look desired in Hudson Lounge and for the party to come to an end. It's not hard for them to believe because it happened to them.

I know we'd all like to think that in the Obama era we're a post-racial nation but we're not. The truth is these type of stories of racial discrimination happen every day. It's increasingly becoming too much of a common place in Houston's night scene for this to be be 2011. It's not okay and it warrants making a big stink and fuss over because those kind of practices are inexcusable and doesn't nothing to move forward.

It's true there are African-American clubs or nights, Nigerian clubs, Jamaican clubs, Mexican clubs, Latin clubs, Hispanic clubs, Asian-American club, ect. that are set up to cater to that demographic and others if they want. The difference is, there haven't been cases of discrimination of other ethnicities in those venues. If they're segregated, it isn't because they're keeping people out because of how their skin color looks like Ei8ht, 88 Keys, Red Room, Diem, Nox, Bronx Bar, Sanctuary, ect., it's because not many of other ethnicities don't frequent them.

I've spoken to many of my African-American friends to know Quannel X is not their spokesperson. What he says doesn't mean what they think. Despite what you may believe, African-Americans are not a monolith group of people. There's more to being dark skinned and being African-American. There's people of African decent of all nationalities. But we're not talking about Quannel X here, many of us here are trying to discuss the events from last Tuesday, Hudson Lounge, and the wronged planners and guests.

Perhaps it's you that may need the wake up call Dawn. If you want people to stop whining over racism, then perhaps you're efforts are best served by starting with the people and places that discriminate and thus make people speak about their discrimination due to their race.

Saddam bin Laden
Saddam bin Laden

You are a racist.

You're simply seething with it.

How can you say this: "I still have a hard time believing that simply because a party was of black people, a bar shut down."

with a straight face?

Are you retarded?

ClairetheCarebear
ClairetheCarebear

Dawn said: "But what I see is...they were in fact understaffed - as they believed only a party of 20 were to show up. Period. The comment about "Im marrying a Latina" I do call bull shit on. But saying they were thrown out and the Hudson closed up because they were black - I don't buy it. Sorry. I see if a crowd of 150 showed up instead of 20 ....yeah...with an understaffed bar....anyone would get loud. "

You claimed to have the read the story and if you had, you would have read that the planners didn't say there was 20 or 30 people they were expecting. They met with Hudson Lounge more than twice in person to talk about specifics for the upcoming evening. Included in that conversation, the amount of people that would be in attendance which was no where near 20-30. Knowing this after multiple planning with the planners, Hudson Lounge should have made the accomendations for the party by having more staff on hand, if under staffing was really one of the reason Hudson Lounge claims. It looks like they didn't and if that was truly the case, you don't fault the planners and their guests for a party they have planned for weeks by shutting it down before 11pm. PERIOD.

You don't have to buy it that this group were mistreated because of their skin color, they don't need you validation to know what's discrimination or not, because they were there and experienced it first hand to know that they were.

You also keep implying that this crowd was loud (twice now) and that's means for their holiday college alumni get together to be shut down. It's been noted by both the planners and their guests and Hudson Lounge that they weren't loud and obnoxious (you know, that stereotypical way I guess you think all African-American and other people of African decent are). So why do you keep throwing that out there. If you're going to say Dawn, "I am commenting this from the standpoint of reading this story," then do just that. As it is, you're proving not only from the loud and obnoxious comment that you're not.

Keep in mind, when they met multiple times with management, they inquired about the closing time and were told 2am. This small, non-rowdy party was shut down before 11pm and police were called to expedite the process. Why is that? If they were buying drinks, making money for the bar, as the owner said in the Culturemap ( I don't want to kick out a bar full of patrons; that's money to me, that's revenue."), and they weren't loud, why shut a party that was planned for weeks with the lounge hours before a closing time they were told they could stay until?

Again Hudson Lounge's story has changed has much as the weather changes in Houston within one day but the planners and their guest's accounts have not. I don't know about you, but if a story keeps changing from one person's end, I find that suspect and a reason not to believe what they're saying is true.

Guest
Guest

There's plenty of room at HUSH.

Jespel
Jespel

Twain couldn't have come up with a better satire than this. Couple of coddled kids from what was, up until about 20 years ago, a conservative lunch-pail community, suddenly open an "upscale bar" to jibe with the community's newfound wealth and exclusivity, against the backdrop of tear-down, built up mini mansions. Then, to make a buck (and perhaps assuage their inner calls for equality) they decide to host an African-American gala that is successful beyond belief. Beyond comfort. Beyond what they expected. Suddenly, abstract becomes real and anxiety invades: all these outsiders suddenly embracing our isle of cool exclusivity. This sure ain't what we had in mind...Help! Shut it down. Call the cops. Get rid of the concrete reality that was once a badge of liberal tolerance....equality and all that works in my head, not so much in real life.

But, 'hey, I'm marrying a Latina'.....I still got it down for the little man. Liberté, égalité, fraternité!!

Redbloodclub
Redbloodclub

definately goes on here so ive heard.....

Blondie
Blondie

Sorry but Hudson also has a large Arab & Latin population that goes there. Houston has the fickle 400. When Asians or black's "invade" a club no one goes back. From YEARS AND YEARS of personal experiance black men are overly aggressive with white females (or possibly all females but I don't know).

Hudson may be racist but I would leave if I walked in and saw a room full of black men. Professional or not, I'm just being honest. It's also RACIST that they keep saying how it was an "urban" or black party. Isn't that just as racist?

Kim H.
Kim H.

Oh dear, Spiceyfun, how sad it must be to have a dull bulb. Please copy, paste and cite where you've read that this was a "black party". The party was predominantly African American. I think every article and/or post says such.

Reading is fundamental. Try it.

Blondie
Blondie

Uh... isn't the WHOLE thing about the crowd being black? Isn't AFRICAN AMERICAN just a nice way of saying BLACK? It was a party with mostly BLACK/AFRICAN AMERICAN people who are mad that the bar owner didn't want them coming back to his bar. HELLO. It's ok to call a bar for WHITE FOLKS and no one cares. I don't see the word ANGLO AMERICAN used. and like I said CLEARLY you don't go to Hudson. The bar is ONLY HALF WHITE, it has a LARGE Arab and Latin crowd as well. It's just easier to play the race card and say "WHITE BAR". You guys just don't want to hear that part. Go on the weekends and count what races walk through the door.

Kim H.
Kim H.

What words are you reading and simultaneously misunderstanding? I am not trying to argue with you and I will not argue with you. What I am saying is that no one has called the event a "black party". I don't even know what that is. If I go to a bar and that is predominantly white, I will say "this party is full of white people" and still have a great time. You, however, would say "this is a black party and I need to leave". Your bad.

A party that is comprised of mostly black people is a party that is comprised of mostly black people and this particular party was shut down because there were too many black faces.

I did notice there was one thing you managed to get right. Ordinarily, I don't go to Hudson and would not have gone to Hudson if this event wasn't being held. The point is that a private party was being held...I went....and was asked to leave for no consistent reason. The end.

Happy New Year, Spicey. I hope you find yourself surrounded by a bunch of black people in the new year.

ClairetheCarebear
ClairetheCarebear

Spiceyfun, for no reason whatsoever you say you'd leave a club if there a lot of black men in it and that black men are over aggressive? WTF?!?!

Spiceyfun, you are apart of the problem. Your ignorant response speaks volumes about you and I don't even know you. Ignorant statement like yours stem from fear of the unknown. Why are you afraid of being in a club or any place where there are alot of black men? Why do you feel they're overly aggressive?

African-American isn't a nice way of saying black. Black is a color and people are more than that. African-American refers to someone who is in the US and is of African decent from both parents or one parent. There's Afro-Latin Americans or Hispanics who are of African decent, Ethopian, and the list goes on. Like any other ethnicity African ancestry encompasses a wide range of ethnicities that go beyond what you're commonly around and afraid of being around, African-Americans.

Hell, I'm white and I'm the one giving you a history lesson about this. SMH. Get out and submerge yourself into other cultures. Maybe you'll come out wiser and more accepting of others than this ignorant BS you posted.

Kyle
Kyle

Thanks for your racist 2 cents, now scram.

Redbloodclub
Redbloodclub

Im reading this from Dalllas. Love hairballs...read it every time i can. So, just saying how I read this story. I may be right or totally off track. Who knows.In Dallas, there is the club 500....or whatever they call it (fickle 500?). Pretty much it means, that when a bar opens up, the same "ish" 500 people show up to that pandering bar until the next great thing opens. When that bar is done and the next bar opens for them, ( 1 month-2 years ish), they go to the "new" place. If on early opening,, the club gets known as a black/hiphop/gansgter club.."the(500)" might not go to that said club. If you ask me, in my opinion, that' why they may have closed it down early. The money made that night would not equal the risk of running off the whitey's. Just an opinion of a a former club owner that had "punk, hiphop, alt rock, jazz, hardcore..." all walks welcome kind of thing". Dont know if Houston is the same. Definately goes on here.

Whitey/Dallas

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