That Viral "Poverty Thoughts" Essay Is Totally Ridiculous


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She's still pushing for that money to help her out of "poverty," though, and folks are still flocking to her to donate. She's reached $61,388 so far. And don't worry; if you haven't made your contribution yet, she's stated that she'll raise it to $150,000 once she hits her goal. You know, for poverty and all. Or that book she's planning to write, and that vacation she's planning to take with the donations. Either or.

What Linda is doing here is infuriating. There are people donating to her who don't realize she's full of shit. People who have good intentions and big hearts and are attempting to make a difference in the life of a person who, by the sound of it, is living in some pretty dire surroundings. But folks, these are made-up dire surroundings. Stop giving her money.

There are people out there who really do need a hand up, and what the crowd-funding sites are able to do, with the little help from the kindness of strangers, is indeed pretty awesome. But in this case it's a scam; you're paying the bills of a person who has the time and resources to intern and hang out at political rallies, and who has medical and dental benefits provided by way of the military spouse.

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She doesn't need you to pay her dental bill; she wants you to pay her dental bill. There's a difference. And it appears that may not even be necessary; those "rotten" teeth? They appear just fine in a 2004 political blog where her head shot is used, well after that "car accident" at 19 years of age. Her recent appearance on HuffPo Live, which was strange at best, seems to confirm that suspicion. Rotten teeth they are not.

You're not moving this person out of seedy quarters by donating money that you earmarked to help a person in need. You're financing a book written on a bunch of fictional musings about what Linda Walther Tirado thinks it would be like to be poor. It's basically poverty fan-fiction, by way of a person who has three years of freelance writing on her LinkedIn profile.

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I'm going to preachy at this point, but whatever. As a person who grew up in for realsies poverty, this offends the hell out of me. I never expected to write that sentence on the Internet, but I think it's important here or I wouldn't do it. I, like so many others, know what it's like to wear the clothes out of the donation closet at church, and know the shame that accompanies the knowledge that you're the recipient of the "charity" turkey on Thanksgiving, and it sucks. But my mom would never have accepted it had it not been necessary for survival.

It's not necessary here, though. Taking advantage of a person's good intentions to fund a book proposal is ridiculous, and it's not the same thing as taking a turkey to feed your kids on Thanksgiving. If you want money to write a poverty fanfic book, tell them that. But don't write some garbage that's full of stupid stereotypes about the poor in order to obtain it.

There are parents out there who are lying awake at night, worried about how to pay the light bill or feed their children. They aren't worried about book deals and political rallies. Those are worries we're allowed when above the poverty line. And those parents that are worried about how to feed their kids could desperately use the money Linda's siphoning from well-meaning folks to fund her vacations and writing career.

Oh, and one more thing. Poor does not equal dirty, and all that stuff like this does is reinforce those unnecessary correlations. The bit about the roaches is ridiculous. There are plenty of people with empty bank accounts who are perfectly clean and roach-free, no matter how tough their financial situations are. It's time people stop associating poor with dirty, and hopefully Linda will drop that bit before her poverty fanfic hits the shelves.



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lawservices245

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rpheath
rpheath

So what you're saying is that if you've ever had advantages and lost them, sunk into poverty and then got some help and started living a bit better, you have no right to share your "observations" about what daily life is like for the people you've met on the journey who are one missed payment away from homeless and hungry? Do your homework. She's been reviled for shedding a light on some truths that you don't want to admit. You can start well, be intelligent and through bad luck and poor decisions end up in poverty. And poverty isn't all neat and tidy . It doesn't only strike the " "deserving" if there is such a thing. There but for the grace of God goes you. Or I. She did not lie or misrepresent herself. She said this was not just based on her experiences and she wanted to give a voice to those who had no platform. But if it makes you feel safer to kill the messenger, go for it.

lordkoos
lordkoos

Her essay is right on the money (or lack of money).  I have never been really poor in that way but I have spent time among those who are in that situation, and saw first hand how incredibly stressful and difficult it is to be poor.  


Those like this writer who are without empathy should spend some time among people who have nothing to look forward to.  Of course there are sociopathic types who will never be able to identify with others who are struggling, perhaps this writer is one of them.

JeanBergman
JeanBergman

Hi folks, 


Although, I've read some comments that convey Linda Tirado's story as having a bunch of holes in it, I do happen to believe some her story at least. Poverty can be perceived in different ways according to those with opinions as we all do have them of course. 


Anyway, I'm copying and pasting part of an essay that has turned into a manifesto styled rant, I should admit. It's based on my take of Linda Tirado's fame and  relevance to --as she herself has told me on Twitter --- Poverty Porn.  Some who might read it, might find it distasteful. So, I'm sorry to offend a lot of folks out there, but as an author who had already written something sort of similar to Tirado's Hand to Mouth earlier on, I felt the need to write (ok, BLAST) my feelings about it. Please understand this is just my take and I don't claim to KNOW the facts. Cheers. 


(part of the essay posted on my Facebook site)

Here’s my (dirty, rotten, evil) take on the back story on how Hand to Mouth ‘author’ Linda Tirado became internet famous … at least with Huff Po subscribers. I mean, who’s the Nation? And who the fuck even reads Forbes other than voting Republicans, Apple users, actors, other celebrities like Congressional politicians, ’liberal’ talking heads and a bunch of other rich people?? Duh.

Firstly, I don’t really believe that Linda Tirado ever really became ‘famous’ or ‘viral’ via Gawker ... as she did via Huffington Post.


Around early 2012, before the existence of Linda Tirado’s internet essay/rant … and just before Obama’s reelection, Huffington Post began dishing out a mother load of articles over raising the minimum wage … even if there’d never been much of a narrative over the current wage STANDARD in America. Around that time, folks like Robert Reich/Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren and Co. and talking heads like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart would begin touting over raising the minimum wage (to what?) … well, nothing else really … other than saying anything that would churn more voters into voting for our once beloved President Ornament. 


Robert Reich, who’s also mentioned in my book, Maid Not For You, has never really discussed the issue of substandard wages in America … until NOW a days anyway.

Back in the 90s, Reich seemed to care about the working poor … so much that he helped to implement a bunch of substandard waged jobs during his stint as Labor Secretary that’s for sure. Awe thanks, Rob. (Now, if you will please, fuck off already.)


Rewind to 2008. As frustrated as I was over the media’s apathy over wages … and well, our WAGE STANDARD in America, I, myself, began blasting Huff Po and other zines for their apathy and hypocrisy in how their own writers had systematically portrayed poverty in America —- since it wasn’t just about the lack of jobs, shady bankers, congressional, racist Republicans as it HAS been a very SUBSTANDARD FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE peddled by MOST of congress anyway.


Many online blog writers in recent years have just begun to mention the federal minimum wage being too low (gee, you think?) … but yet, still, no one has really mentioned as to why 10.10 or 15.00 is reasonable (or not) in terms of the poverty line and the REAL cost of living for an individual. Mind you, 10.10 is down right immoral in this day and age, and yet much of the American liberal-esque media and their congressional buddies seem just dandy over 10.10. Oh but wait, Robert Reich finally recently flip flopped to supporting 15.00 bucks per hour after having supported 9, 10, 11 as the federal minimum wage.


And yes, of course these very sentiments were eventually included in my book Maid Not for You … which was written well before Linda Tirado’s existence to media and her own book ever made it to an editor’s (ghost writer’s) and publisher’s hands.


My book was self published back back in July of this year without much money or marketing clout as I was doing this on the down low — as any anonymous working poor person fearing retaliation would. Course, ha ha, I’d eventually become fired for mentioning my book to some of my ‘friends’ and ‘comrades’ (ha HA … right) from a cleaning agency and a recent job where I was trying to enlist some reviewers. I believe I got “laid off” from these two companies because I was deemed as a potential (annoying) whistle blower. And for what ‘that’s’ worth, I never was told that my workmanship was ever an issue. I’m aware that this kind of shit happens ALL the time to many folks. Especially now a days.


It wouldn’t surprise me that since 2008, my Huffington Post posts/rants over poverty/WAGES and it’s own media hypocrisy over it all may have actually spurred on a wee bit more media attention over the issue of poverty wages, which I think sort of helped --- dare I say ---- usher in the existence of Linda Tirado via Huffington Post … and thus, a book deal. (No, I am not on drugs … maybe delusional and bitter but definitely not on drugs.)


After gleaning and looking up rants like mine over wages and poverty on Huff Post, I learned that I (REALLY) was the ONLY crazy fuck who’d constantly -- steadfast -- mention the issue of poverty and media hypocrisy over it ‘all’ since 2008. If you looked my real name up, you’d see hundreds of these bat shit rants like the one you’re reading right now. And even if I’m bat shit-completely wrong, THIS STILL SUCKS.



Thank you for reading. And for some who may not fully realize this: seriously, it REALLY is the wages … and our wage standard that the media and our government has become used to for far too long. We need a new narrative. @MaidNotForYou




satay31
satay31

As someone who is living in these circumstances right now, i don't really give a damn if she is lying or not for me she is right on the money and she described exactly how I feel. I have not always been in poverty either I come from a upper middle class family and I still have support but I am unable to support myself or my child and in my 40's that makes me feel like the lowest person on earth. I have debts so staggering that i can't even imagine ever being able to make a dent in them and I have been out of work since june of 2013. Even when I was working I didn't make enough money to survive on my own. You don't have to have grown up in abject poverty to know how this feels, in fact it might be even worse if you didn't because you have the benefit of knowing just how far you have to climb to get out. 

WaywardPilgrim
WaywardPilgrim

ANGELICA GOT IT WRONG. HER ANGER ABOUT WHAT SHE GOT WRONG BECAME THIS UNWARRANTED ATTACK ON A WOMAN WHO'S BEEN VINDICATED.

"The Nation" article, by Michelle Goldberg: "LINDA TIRADO IS NOT A HOAX" refutes, with evidence, Angelica Leicht's character assassination of Ms. Tirado as failure to do basic fact finding, presenting misunderstandings as if facts, then generating scathing opinions based on presumptions of wrongdoings that were created in Ms, Leicht's own mind.

FROM "THE NATION" (Nov. 29, 2013): [I recommend the entire article!]

"...the idea that she was a rich boarding school kid who has never known hard times took on a life of its own. A piece in a Houston alternative weekly, posing as an investigation, claimed that Tirado "has never experienced true poverty," apparently because she hasn't always been poor. "Her LinkedIn profile states she's been a freelance writer and political consultant since 2010, and has worked in politics since 2004, a claim backed by 27 decent political connections," wrote reporter Angelica Leicht, noting that Tirado had met President Obama while interning for a politician "who obviously wasn't disgusted by those rotten teeth." CNN, in turn, cited Leicht's piece as revealing that "Tirado…has worked as a political consultant, attended a private boarding school and is married to a US Marine."

As it happens, Tirado has been upfront about the fact that she dropped out of college to bounce around the country working on political campaigns. (When I first wrote about her, I spoke to one of her former bosses, who confirmed to me that her teeth held her back.) She's written about marrying an Iraq veteran, and only fell into severe poverty during her first pregnancy. Ohio's Hamilton County Court has records of an eviction case against her from this time, and she sent me documentation of her enrollment in Medicaid [PDF] and the Women, Infants and Children supplemental nutrition program for poor pregnant women, new mothers and their kids [PDF].

This was the period Tirado was writing about in her essay. It ended when her grandparents, from whom she'd become estranged, came to her and her husband's rescue when they were living in a squalid motel, moving them to Utah and setting them up in a trailer. They went on food stamps—she sent me a screenshot of their computerized records—got restaurant jobs, climbed into the working class, and eventually bought a foreclosed house with her grandparents' help. This is the story that Tirado has been telling ever since she became famous, and none of her detractors have found anything to contradict it."...(article continues)

zelameh
zelameh

What's funny is when I was reading her essay, not only did it raise red flags for bullshit, but it also upset me for it's totally defeatist undertones. I've been poor. Hell, I'm living off $700 a month, in California, right now. My apartment leans to one side and the water pressure almost dies if the downstairs neighbor does laundry. I can't ask for help from family because they're struggling even more than I am.

When I was a kid it was worse; mom sold our food stamps for drug money and I remember a summer where I would be falling on my face so I'd force down some white rice and tuna for a little burst of energy.  It sucked. But nobody I know ever said, "well golly gee, I'm poor, I guess I'll always be poor, so I shouldn't even bother trying".

That line (paraphrased, sarcastically) really burned me up, and set of the major alarms for this woman being full of it up to her ears, because people who have ever, ever actually lived that way and thought like that are rare, because they wouldn't make it, emotionally or otherwise. They certainly wouldn't end up as successful writers. 

photo01
photo01

It is sad if Linda's essay is phoney because it mirrors my real life problems.  I am not asking for money but I can relate to most of what she wrote as pertaining to me and others I know.  Right now I am so close to losing my house it is really scary.  Yes, I am a homeowner (as long as I can pay the bank), a senior citizen, and refinanced to keep my house, but homeowner's insurance has doubled twice and that puts my future in real danger.  I have no (zero, zilch, nada) discretionary money left over for anything, even gas for my old car. I also can not get my teeth fixed (the only thing we poor people get is teeth extractions and I have had 5 removed in the last two years).  It is not pretty.  I am not on food stamps or welfare, and do eat more healthy than most of my friends, but how long that will last is unknown.  Her article did a service to a lot of us and it is a pity that it is not real (at least for her).  The problems in the article are way too real to me.

sherrietee
sherrietee

Fascinating. Let me share my own story. I, too, came from privilege. I went to a boarding school. My family has money.  Oodles, apparently. But yet, I still found myself living in poverty back in the early 90's. My youngest child was a medicaid baby. My children were on WIC. My ex-husband and I lived paycheck to paycheck, and we were always on the edge of losing the home we rented.


Like the woman said, poverty can happen to anybody, regardless of background. It might happen to you someday. It happened to me. I just happened to be lucky enough to find my way out of it.

Ewwwwww
Ewwwwww

This lady went to some no name school (srsly "Cranbrook?" no one knows what that is,) she is married to some low class army guy--public servant type, and she has some type of weird looking mixed race baby in her arms. 


She absolutely is white trash, and is definitely not winning. I dont think we have to worry about her showing up in the social registry or at any functions in the near future.

andromedaaaaaa
andromedaaaaaa

i do think her actions and lies are deplorable, but to be fair, her teeth don't look that nice. they're kinda concave, she looks to be missing some on the bottom row, and it is clear that she attempts to hide her top row. 


dental problems go a lot deeper than a quick glance on a low-res computer screen or tiny photo on facebook. my mother has periodontal disease, but you would never know that by seeing her straight, full set of teeth. i personally need (not want, NEED) about $6000 in dental work, but my teeth are white, mostly straight, i am frequently told i have a beautiful smile, and the parts i CAN control are meticulously cared for. people are surprised to learn that i have problems with them at all, or that one problem out of my control can be so painful and costly.


i'm not trying to excuse this lady's actions, because frankly i think it's disgusting. but focusing the crux of your hatred and mistrust of her based on the *appearance* of her teeth is misguided. she's done enough that is detestable without having to resort to that.

ElaineMW
ElaineMW

I sent her some money. Fiction or non-fiction, it felt good then and it feels good now. I probably won't send her any more, first because she closed the page and second, because this week I came close to being overdrawn and have to say no to a lot of spending I'd love to do. I sent some money to a couple on GoFundMe who say they got burglarized. Yes, it's quite possible that they made up the whole thing and are laughing all the way to the bank. But you know what? I got burglarized in 2008 and it was a sickening experience. While one ransacked all the closets (walking away with cash, collector coins my late father had given me, and jewelry that was mostly sentimental-value), another took the food out of our freezer, cooked it in our microwave and ate it, leaving the empty boxes on the floor. I told some people at the church I had just joined -- they asked me what I needed and I mentioned that our electric bill was due. There was an outpouring of cash, gift cards and support that I did not ask for, and nobody asked me one damn thing about whether it "really" happened or whether we'd done enough to protect our house, etc.

I guess what this rambling narrative means is that shit happens to everybody at some point. Despite a college education (no degree), I have been poor enough to have to choose between gas in the car to get to work vs. food in the stomach. I've taken days off from work, using PTO, because payday was 2 days away and I only had one day's worth of gas in the tank. Our yard looked like a dump last summer because someone stole our lawnmower and (probably) the same people who did it then started showing up at the door offering to cut our grass for thirty bucks. 

What annoys me is people who look at the neighborhood we live in and say "You live there??!" As if anyone with any sense would "just" sell and move someplace "better." After 4 years with a sub-par paycheck and sacrificing here, there and everywhere, I've come to know a lot about what people say when they haven't a clue. What this woman wrote makes absolute sense and rings true -- the toll it takes on your MIND that results in figuratively falling asleep at the switch and doing something impulsively that just makes things that much worse in the long run. I didn't send the author all that much; it didn't hurt, and if it helps anything whatsoever, I'll just file it under "Pay it forward." For both her and the burglary victims. Being in trouble and getting help is nice, but being able to do for someone else feels better. Whatever she's doing, I wish her the best. And that's all I have to say about that.

EssayHelp
EssayHelp

I feel it all depends on their own experience.

doug_ramerth
doug_ramerth

Angelica is paid to parade her personal prejudice in the press against a person she doesn't know personally? Angelica is a low-life with too much venomous spittle. Go and meet Tirado, walk in her shoes for a week and then write something that's worth reading. Until then, keep your imaginary bullshit thoughts to yourself rather than blogging about it.

tomhanna
tomhanna

I am relieved to know that I am wildly successful and in no danger of poverty, as I have far more than 27 LinkedIn connections. Could someone tell me where I trade them for cash?

debirobinson1960
debirobinson1960

Give the girl a break, all you sound like is sour grapes to me. I can't see anywhere in anything she's ever written where she attempts to deceive anyone.

How about you spend less time attempting to discredit a person who in my opinion is trying, and a bit more time proving yourself as a serious writer.Because all I'm reading here is a lot of blah blah blah . . . . 

vartan_angelica
vartan_angelica

I don't usually post comments on anything but this truly made my stomach hurt.  I remember not having food and it sucked so I worked hard and I studied and now I don't have to worry about food.  It's called being a grown up and wanting to do better in life and having pride.  This woman is not poor. She's broke. She's broke because she made bad choices.  Instead of having to live with the consequences of her OWN choices she's been rewarded with all of those donations thereby teaching her that poor choices + bloggy whining = $60K.  (I guess this is what happens when all the kids who went to Fun, Fair, Positive Soccer grew up.  Getting trophies for showing up sure does build a strong work ethic, doesn't it?)

Now, the child in the article below?  This child is poor. This child is suffering.  The portion of the donations that Linda blew in Vegas could have fed this family for God knows how long or paid for a room that they didn't have to share with rodents.  Shame on you, Linda Tirado.  Shame on all of her supporters.  This child probably could've written an accurate almost live view of real poverty in America but I bet she doesn't have easy access to a computer and I'm pretty sure WiFi is not standard in the 520 sq ft room she shares with her family.

"http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/invisible-child/?chapt=1#/?src=mv?WT.mc_id=NYT-YHO-NYT-IC_P1?chapt=1&chapt=1"

mbsmallwood76
mbsmallwood76

I actually do need help with donations. Im a service-connected disable veteran and a single dad for two young girls and I struggle to give them the basics. I have been unable to work since 2007 and almost died from complications of surgery. I contracted a MRSA infection on my spinal cord and had kidney failure from an allergic reaction to the meds they gave me. Every day is a struggle to live a normal life and provide for my girls. Please consider sharing this link with your facebook friends or other contacts.



http://www.gofundme.com/5nymro

Jezebella
Jezebella

The similarities between my own background and killermartinis I find a bit unsettling. Perhaps that gives me a bit of an entitlement to criticise her actions, and decline to accept her excuses. Like KM, I was given a large house, mortgage-free, by my parents. Like KM, I went to a private boarding school. Like KM, I had private music lessons throughout childhood and adolescence. I had a new piano. Quite possibly like KM, we were not "overtly rich" and quite unpretentious materially. We looked much less affluent than we were. We were brought up in a middle-class neighbourhood, while my parents would have easily been able to afford a more affluent suburb. We absolutely did not identify as "well off". This kind of in-between-classes family profile can be quite unsettling, particularly if there is a bit of mental illness in the family (something KM and I have in common). So, with similar backgrounds, why do we differ today? Well, in my case I've never shied off work, I don't smoke, and I only drink moderately/socially. I've worked as a cleaner rather than be out of work, but I've never regarded that as "tough times". I've regarded that as "thank goodness I have a job!". I completed my studies part-time while doing two jobs and with young kids (however, without a husband at home). Why did I regard my situation as just, "hey, how I've run it and I never competed very hard with tougher, smarter people for high-status jobs. Or maybe, hey, I was less smart and less competitive for said high-status work!" KM's sense of entitlement puzzles me. I've also worked in fast-food joints as my second job, while contracting in another field. Fast-food work is just part of student-hood, Linda! I also share with killermartinis a highly creative imagination and a tendency for self-delusion. Where she complains, though, I tend to optimise my situation and think things are great in my life. The reality is, I have NEVER BEEN POOR, lower-class jobs notwithstanding. And nor has Linda Tirado. So, I do wonder, why is Linda Tirado whingeing about her lot and humbugging the public for donations?

PynoMrah
PynoMrah

She gets $60K for a load of lies, and meanwhile, I'm trying to get $4k to get my car back from the transmission shop and can't get a single donation because people think I'm full of crap. That sounds reasonable. 

elani238
elani238

@photo01 I-don't-beieue-it-is-phony.--Haue-been-close-to-this-and-it-is-just-too-close-to-the-truth-of-what-I-saw-around-me.

AwManNotAgain
AwManNotAgain

@sherrietee It's true. No one in my family is in poverty. I am, and most of them don't understand how or why someone gets stuck in the trap.

mamachitchatchitterl
mamachitchatchitterl

@Ewwwwww - Cranbrook Academy outside Detroit is anything but "no name." It is an expensive and old arts academy, "the cradle of American modernism" that has been around since the early 1900s.

Ewwwwww
Ewwwwww

@vartan_angelica  Why would anyone care about that street urchin you posted in your article?



She is just some worthless street trash. She is very unlikely to ever contribute anything positive to society and is very likely to pop out some kids just like her which only will lead to a further burden on our healthcare and probably prison system.


This is the reason that eugenics and forced sterilization of trash is so important. I hope our next president actually has a brain. This one is so concerned with taking away our guns and giving our country over to the muslims that he wont ever do anything.

Ewwwwww
Ewwwwww

@mbsmallwood76  If you are really a vet, go to the VA. I do, because I served.


You sound like a sniveling little libtard homeless. I doubt you ever served, and if you did, I bet you were a dishonor.

Ravenpaine
Ravenpaine

Way to assume a bunch of things about a person, equivocate with them, and the be better than them in your proxy universe all in the same paragraph. That takes some imagination.

You don't have any statements to back up these claims you make for her, but I like that you tried to put yourself on the exact same level as Linda except that you did everything right and she is a loser. That really drove home your set of claims. I feel thoroughly like your argument was well made and not at all a pretentious attempt at undermining Linda's credibility.

Ravenpaine
Ravenpaine

Maybe if people on the Internet couldn't just claim you were lying and everyone believed that without any kind of proof, then maybe people would be more apt to believe you.

And I in no way wish you failure. I would like to see everyone getting good things and succeeding at life. 

But at least nobody is demanding that you sell the current car and ride the bus, because how dare you ask for a reasonable thing that will fit the life you are currently living. Because that is a lot of what people are doing to Linda for no reason other than they are angry.

mbsmallwood76
mbsmallwood76

@Ewwwwww @mbsmallwood76  I have an honorable discharge, and am 80% service connected. I go to the VA jerkoff. I just am having a hard time raising kids by myself. Im a huge fan of John Boehner, and will be volunteering for his campaign this year. Have a great day.

Jezebella
Jezebella

Why thanks, Ravenpaine, for your more conciliatory tone (attempt at sarcasm notwithstanding).

JawJar
JawJar

@Ravenpaine Single mom here, honey. And when my used car (the only thing I could afford) that I bought without a warranty in June died in August and I couldn't afford a new vehicle, I began taking the bus. 


As of two months ago, I'm out of debilitating poverty and in a higher tax bracket than you will probably ever see in your lifetime...and as a single parent with no child support, I pay for everything myself, which means I can't afford another car...so I >>still<< take the bus. 


Let's see, what other commonalities can I find between KM and myself? A lot, actually. How about another? I have a visible condition that worries me about how others see me, but I can't get it fixed because my insurance sucks and it's considered cosmetic. But I can cover it in ways that are cheaper, which I do from time to time. Thing is, rather than look 100% perfect all the time, I'd prefer to pay for my kid's day care so I can keep my job.


Making choices with your money is called being a grown up. Not being able to afford stuff and figuring out how to deal with it? Also part of being an adult. Whining about what you don't have and saying it's because you're poor? That's KM. Conning people into paying for what you can't afford yourself? That's KM, too. 

PynoMrah
PynoMrah

@Ravenpaine I linked her story from my own poverty blog and lost what little credibility I was managing to gain, so yes, I'm angry.


I'm upset because I actually had to live what she fictionalized from the comfort of her nice home. 


I'm upset because she made money off my plight and the plight of thousands of other Americans like me without a care for how many people it would end up hurting in the end. People like me, who aren't asking for the cost of a house, but are only looking for a little help and compassion. A little basic dignity.


Because of her and people like her, anything that I have to say is now going to become immediately suspect. Why shouldn't I be mad about that?

trollsBgone
trollsBgone

@mbsmallwood76 @Ewwwwww  Don't feed the troll. Ewww is well named, and trolling by imitating the worst stereotypes of conservatives. The level of unreasoning ignorant hatred expressed is a dead give-away. MB thank you for your service and I hope you and your family get some positive breaks soon. 

JawJar
JawJar

No snark with this question intended, I'm just asking, but was this comment for me? I don't have a car. Despite my good job, I can't afford one. I take the bus with my toddler in tow in 28 degree weather. I believe I posted this already.

Ravenpaine
Ravenpaine

Hi. I just go back from a lovely 3 hour slog through the snow to a pay station to pay my power bill. I don't have a car and cannot drive, so I have to walk everywhere, and when it is cold that gets more difficult.

Fortunately I live in a world where I can work from home and don't often have to go so far out of my way.

Today was special though because the power company has a terrible website and doesn't let you pay without a checking account, which I don't have because check systems won't let me have one. And it won't tell me why it won't let me have one, because it doesn't know. A computer glitch from 7 years ago that nobody seems to know how to fix just cost me a 3 hour slog through the snow.

But you can take to task everything everyone says because you have the all-seeing eye of truth. And the luxury of a car. Something that some of us are just too far away from to even bother thinking about.

JawJar
JawJar

Nope, don't care, I'm not a teenager who worries what other people think of me...

And if you don't work for the NSA (which you don't), then you don't know squat about me... :)

Faith
Faith

@JawJar No, not really. Speak on, it's illuminating.


I just assume people care about how they're coming off, so I highlighted that section as being really unattractive in that it's a hideous blend of arrogant and gloating. But it seems you're totally okay with being perceived that way, so go for it.

JawJar
JawJar

I can say whatever I want. Isn't that just infuriating? :)

JawJar
JawJar

Problem is, your sketch of Killer Martinis is also way off, so I'm sure your little psychobabble UX or whatever it is you do is completely off when it comes to figuring me out, too.

Keep doing your little defend linda to the death thing....we'll see what happens.

Faith
Faith

@JawJar No, don't be the person who says stuff like "I'm in a higher tax bracket than you will probably ever see in your lifetime". It's both asserting your specialness AND gloating. It's unnecessary, it's gross, and it's also totally unsupported.


You know, like you say that all of KM's claims are totally unsupported. Like that.


(And I am getting a great sketch of you. This fits, it's just not particularly attractive and I thought I'd let you know how you're coming across when you say that stuff.)

JawJar
JawJar

God you're relentless. I highly doubt your employer pays you to sit around and read gawker comment threads.

Be what person? You don't believe I worked my way out of poverty into a high paying job? I thought you were getting a grea sketch of me??

Faith
Faith

@JawJar "in a higher tax bracket than you will probably ever see in your lifetime"


Oh dear god. Don't be that person.

Ewwwwww
Ewwwwww

@PynoMrah @Ravenpaine  How about instead of having a "poverty blog" you go out and get a "job."


You are everything that is wrong with this country. You are an absolutely lazy good-for-nothing, piece of libtard crap that for some reason feels all entitled to be given things.

andromedaaaaaa
andromedaaaaaa

@PynoMrah @Ravenpaine the plights of others who need money, and how others react to those plights, is complicated and interesting. if not uncomfortable.


i have to admit that there is a part of me that says, "holy shit, a $4000 transmission? is she driving a $40,000 car?!" and extrapolate from there that anyone who needs to drop $4k into one single part of their ride must not be that bad off in the grand scheme of things. i've never owned a car worth more than that, and if ever faced with such a decision, i'd more than likely be forced to just buy another $1000-3000 car and hope for the best.   


then there's the part of me that says, wait, that's really shitty anecdotal evidence to judge someone by. and i wouldn't appreciate it if someone did it to me. i can't say that because *I* do not value having a nice car, that other people shouldn't either. that's where the discomfort from the initial judgment comes in. for all i know, that car is the best thing you have. or ALL you have. maybe it was a gift, or you inherited it, but couldn't have afforded it on your own, and getting it in the first place was just a random stroke of luck you desperately needed. maybe you did buy it yourself and then fell on hard times afterwards, and are struggling not to lose your investment. maybe it is an integral part of your self-worth and self-confidence. 


maybe none of that is true and it was just a foolish, poorly-guided, or selfish decision. 


i don't know and none of it is my business if i did want to know. sometimes i have to remind myself of things like that when the natural tendency to make personal comparisons to see who has it worse kicks in.

Ravenpaine
Ravenpaine

I should probably take 'stuff said on internet' as proof. But it just seems so extremely unlikely to be true.

Jezebella
Jezebella

I love that Ravenpaine requires incontrovertible sworn evidence for the "case against" but is quite happy to swallow Linda Tirado's pastiche of fabrication - perhaps Dickensian novels read during her school days surfacing as her own story, perhaps just plain fantasism - for the defendant!

Ravenpaine
Ravenpaine

I was being a bit rash before.

Let me try again. It is a shame that the slander being spread by this article caused people to disbelieve your story. If only credible investigative efforts were being made, then perhaps your story would be more widely heard and not dismissed so quickly.

JawJar
JawJar

@PynoMrah @Ravenpaine And don't use my personal details to pull that "you're just jealous and hate the poor argument."


It doesn't change the fact that she lied in her essay and used her misrepresentation to get $

JawJar
JawJar

@PynoMrah @Ravenpaine I, too, have lived through poverty and I find this fictional essay to be nothing but stereotypes of the poor as seen by middle-class white girls. Her fiction does nothing more than bring herself attention and insult the plight of poor people. 


I keep saying I hope she gets into legal trouble (and believe me, I do hope she does), but at the same time, if I were her, I'd be terrified of the karma from this. That shit doesn't mess around. 

jaguarsky
jaguarsky

@andromedaaaaaa @PynoMrah @Ravenpaine - It's been a while since you posted this but I only came across it today and I just had to comment. 

Yes, I too thought $4000 for transmission work was exorbitant, and like you I had to stop and rethink the situation.

I have only owned two nice cars in my entire life; neither new. One I had to sell when my husband became disabled and I could no longer afford the payments or insurance.

Then ten years later my husbands health had stabilized to the point I could go back to work even though I'm disabled myself. I found a job sitting for an elder lady with dementia who just really needed a someone to be around to make sure she didn't burn the house down. Her family was well off and they paid me well for my service.

I saved every penny from that job that was not absolutely necessary for paying bills- every penny. I didn't buy anything extra. Eventually I bought an $8000 minivan that was in excellent condition although quite a few years old. I loved that vehicle. I felt a sense of pride when I rode in it. I felt gratified that it was big enough to load up both my husband, dad and their wheelchairs to go to their Dr's appointments. I felt wonderful knowing that I had done this for my family.

Then one afternoon, about three weeks after I made the last payment on the minivan, a guy ran a stop sign and totaled the vehicle. The insurance paid out a total of $7000 and I said "fuck it" and found a serviceable beater for $2800 and called it good. The rest of the money I put into an emergency fund which went to help pay for funerals: mother in law, dad, husband.

You know what? For now...I quit. I will sit here on my impoverished ass and do nothing because life has knocked me down too many times in the past couple of decades and I need some time off. I pay my bills with my disability check (not very much), I eat the cheapest nearly food that I can afford and keep my internet service up, and that is all. 


As for the girl in the original story...back in my day we called that being a hippie and we found no shame in it because we were bucking the system man. I guess things are different today.

Oh, that old beater; she's still running, although parts are beginning to fall off. It's a sad little game I play with her: Which will go first, the engine or some other necessary part like an axle or timing belt? Either will leave me and the old girl dead in the water; or I guess more to the point, sitting on the side of the road.


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