Etsy Closes Azreal's Accomplice. Cites Policy Infringement

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Tracy Robertson, better known as Batty, is an internationally known model and goth fashion designer. She has been making high-quality, hand-made spooky clothing since 1998, being based in her hometown of Houston until recently moving to Fort Worth, where she lives with her boyfriend and fellow Gothic Council member Toby Rider of the band Ending the Vicious Cycle. Her work has been featured on the cover of Gothic Beauty magazine, and her gowns have placed every year in Houston's Miss Spooky Pageant, winning twice including the most recent contest.

Like many craftswomen running their own businesses, Robertson was drawn to the ease of Etsy in selling her wares. However, that move may have been a mistake as Etsy suddenly shut down her account, citing a violation of their policy against selling factory-made items. The shutdown left Robertson without many years of item descriptions, images and unable to contact any of the customers who had outstanding orders with her at the time.

Robertson's 2011 Miss Spooky Pageant-winning dress
"My business is completely crippled right now," said Robertson in an e-mail to Etsy. "I am sure you understand how devastating that is for a home-run business. I moved my entire catalog over to Etsy and closed my personal Web site because I loved and trusted your platform so much, so closing my Etsy store essentially means shutting down my whole business."

Robertson has worked hard building her brand over the years until selling her clothing line has become her full-time job. The loss of her store has necessitated selling through eBay, or seeking out other avenues such as contracting for a regular Web site, a hefty expense.

Etsy's claim that Robertson was selling factory-made items is hard to believe, as her handmade clothing is fairly well-known. Robertson did use the term "factory-produced" on a single item, a corset she has made mass-produced by a team of workers in her employ that accompanies a gown. However, she produces all the patterns, sizes the pieces and sews each one save for a few she farms out to her team or her mother. According to Etsy's policies, help with items for sale is acceptable as long as the seller has a major role in the item's creation. Robertson's situation would appear to fulfill those standards.

When Robertson attempted to contact Etsy over the dispute, offering to change the wording on her item or remove it all together, Etsy replied:

Etsy has elected to revoke your account privileges permanently. Recent policy violations committed in one or more of your accounts has brought us to the conclusion that our business relationship must now come to a close. We do not make such decisions without great consideration.

"We don't have any comment on this story," said Etsy spokesman Adam Brown when we attempted to contact the company. "Also, due to our privacy policies, Etsy never discloses members' private information."

In the five years that Robertson has been selling Azreal's Accomplice designs through Etsy, she claims to have paid around $9,000 in fees to the Web site. Now those fees will go through her eBay account and through Big Cartel until a permanent online home can be found for one of the longest-running and most-trusted names in gothic fashion.


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schultzybeckett
schultzybeckett

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Anonyforyou
Anonyforyou

Rachel putting it nicely "Most of us small business owners are the sole workers in our shops. We don't have huge bank accounts to afford to let you 'have it your way' this isn't burger king! We aren't factories or large corporations with huge pay loads sitting in the bank waiting. Our sales go towards bills and our families needs to support our family, not to a CEO's 4th vacation this year. When you try and steal from a small business it hurts more than just the owner. We don't get pay rolled vacations or sit in an office all day counting money. Everything we make takes time and lots of love."


Many of us whose shops has been unfairly closed are sitting on thousands of dollars in inventory that we acquired in good faith!!!


FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can make a difference!!!!

Anonyforyou
Anonyforyou

Etsy closed for shop? Take action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Contact Chad@etsy.com, Noah@etsy,com, Legal@etsy.com, form a class action lawsuit.  Contact an attorney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Here is an email list -

https://connect.data.com/directory/company/list/glnHrA9LnmVQl6mSY5tGkw/etsy


its simple to figure out firstname@etsy.com  EMAIL BLAST THEM EVERYDAY until they open your shop!


Demand PROOF. One simply does not get to accuse someone of something on a whim.  The "Integrity" department is run by a bunch of snot nosed teenagers that suck on Lattes ALL DAY and have absolutely NO experience with vintage, etc.  They have VERY high turnover and the sad thing is, all have very thin salaries while the "C-Level" executives are making bank while raping small businesses as they enjoy their fourth annual exotic vacation.  Due to the INSANE amount of 'Etsy CLOSED MY SHOP" blogs and social media backlash they now have instituted an "appeals" process.


https://blog.etsy.com/news/2013/an-appeals-process-for-etsy-sellers/


They say item is not VINTAGE - INTEGRITY OFFICE - PROVE IT!  Copyright infringement?  PROVE IT.  They are the one making accusations, THEY MUST PROVE their allegations.  DEMAND THIS!!!!!! We must fight back!  So sick of all the unfair stories! SICKENING and DISGUSTING!  SHOPS PAY THEIR SALARIES!!!!!!!


I want to see credentials of the people shutting shops! 

Slander, Libel, Defamation of Character are serious offenses!


Laura
Laura

Yeah, the whole definition of "collaborative" is what I argued over with Etsy after they closed down our store. I design and help finish almost all of our items. It's me, and five papier-mache artists from Haiti. They are my friends and I go there when I can afford to. Not to buy from a "factory" but to work on our designs together. First, someone from Etsy told me that all members of a collaborative have to be in the same physical location; (really?); then, they said that the items have to be shipped directly from where they are made (really?); then, they said that the person who operates the store has to not just design, but participated inthe making of the items (really?). so, I sent them a photo documentation of what I do to finish our pieces. NONE of these stipulations regarding a collaborative are listed ANYWHERE on Etsy's site. The only phrase I found when researching opening our store was "items must be handmade by shop owner (or member of the collaborative) -- check. We qualified! So WTF, Etsy?? http://paperturtle.com/2012/06/14/our-etsy-store-temporarily-closed/

Laura
Laura

Amen, sister. Same thing just happened to me. Etsy cannot justify their decision with any written ToS or DOs and DONT's. Therefore, it is random and discriminatory.

Laura
Laura

The same thing just happened to me, for reasons similar to, but not exactly the same as, yours. I operated our store as a collective for two years, openly stating "New Mexico + Hait Partnership." Under the published guidelines for "collective" we were in full compliance. However, after our shop was suddenly closed, new "terms" emerged via email discussions with the Integrity Team. Can we be held accountable to unpublished Terms of Use?! Had those terms been on the site (which they still are not), I might have made a different choice two years ago about there I would invest the time, energy, and money to open and operate our shop. Shame on you, Etsy. http://paperturtle.com/2012/06/14/our-etsy-store-temporarily-closed/

K
K

Would be great to have a follow up on this story considering Etsy "clarified" their definition of handmade and collective after the latest fiasco we call Baligate. I don't understand why her shop should have been closed if Etsy claims their definition of collective has been around since 2009.

Please see the links below that highlight Etsy's hypocrisy - while they continue to make statements to the press about cracking down on resellers what they are actually doing is shutting down or threatening to ban sellers/buyers speaking out about their latest debacle.

Baligate - the short versionhttp://www.neogami.com/baligat...

doctored post after Etsy called out:

http://www.etsy.com/blog/en/20...

As always, Regretsy.com (2 person team), spots and documents what Etsy's team of 200+ could not: http://www.regretsy.com/2012/0...update here: http://www.regretsy.com/page/4... 

Loopy, double talk statement by Chad, Etsy CEO http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/...

Nicole Hanna Jewelry
Nicole Hanna Jewelry

Mine was closed this morning for policy infringement as well, though more likely due to my involvement in the forum discussion concerning resellers. 

Tylorva
Tylorva

Oh wow - I have a lovely black cloak that I purchased from Azrael's Accomplice back in 1998!  I was in the UK, the business was in the US and this was way before international shopping was simple and easy - I had to mail the payment manually in the form of traveller's checks.  Just brings back the memory. :)

I still have my cloak and it still gets worn!  Am glad to hear the business is still going well, Etsy problems aside.

articents.com
articents.com

Give us a try at Articents.com instead. We're a new site, but growing each day. Best yet, no listing fees or commissions - you can post for free

Disenchanted
Disenchanted

Etsy is more and more turning into exactly what it was set up to avoid.  mass marketed people hating money loving bullcrap.  I've moved my store off of it.

Ulioona
Ulioona

what assholes. Unbelievable how some people who sit safely and hidden behind their desks in a cushy seat make life and existence threatening decisions against another hardworking person, without so much as a flinch of regard. SHAME on you, ETSY. I'm closing my account with you.

Etsy Sucks!
Etsy Sucks!

The same issue happened with me using Etsy. After having spent hundreds of dollars for additional advertising and not to count, paying all of their fees that they do not refund you. None of my items violated their requirements and it is very frustrating when you see other Etsy sellers who post items self-made that are bought from Alibaba! My question for Etsy, is how do they decide items are not self-made? I also, have tons of pending orders that need processed and Etsy doesn't even use their internal messaging system to notify Sellers in real-time! Ugh...

Lithophor
Lithophor

So sorry to hear that! If it ever happened to me, I would get a lawyer and sue Etsy for millions!

Marianovalee
Marianovalee

They shut down my shop yesterday for similar issues. Its a huge blow to my income, I'm a full-time student and single mom. I just had the rug pulled out from under me, and Etsy could care less. Your designs are beautiful and unique.

Jojo
Jojo

I hate etsy now. I closed my shop too after 2 years without any warning or questions asked to me first. They refused to give me my money back too after have just listed dozens of new items. All the work that went into the listing descriptions, just gone. They are aweful and it will nackfire on them. They will lose may buyers over their poor behavior. Are they the new ebay or something?

Del
Del

Since Etsy will not maintain their own complaint department, someone else is going to fill the need. Many unrecognized complaints have given birth to sites like Etsy Bitch ('Biting the hand that feeds us') and Regretsy ('It looks like you made it with your feet'). These sites offer some fresh perspective on Etsy as a company and creative marketplace, which is a form of free speech that can't be accessed on the Etsy site itself. 

Star69
Star69

Since when is Houston Press in the business of posting lies? Tracy admits that her Mother and her team of workers make the items. The pictures I've seen look very similar to patterns you can buy at any craft store. I also find it hard to believe that she knocked up $9000 in Etsy fees when it only costs $.20 to list an item for several months.

I love Etsy and have only had positive experiences. It seems so wrong to bad mouth this wonderful place for real artists and crafters to sell original creations without more facts and evidence of wrongdoing.

Clarissa Michaels
Clarissa Michaels

I have read through this and all of the comments. I actually very rarely shop on etsy and when i do its because I have already met the seller and they refer me to their etsy page. I don't surf their pages because they are full of regurgitated crap from mall stores. I am not even friends with Miss Batty here. But I am offended by what etsy has done to her. and I get to send an email to someone on esty now saying I'm sorry i cant buy from your etsy shop now because of their own misuse of their TOS. because that is what this is it is a misuse of TOS to try and edge out someone. Was it someone who reported you? was it another disgruntled seller nitpicking all of your descriptions? or was it just someone on their team having a bad day and decided it was your fault and rained all over your little world. I dont know. But I will say I had previously considered opening an esty shop but after seeing what they have done to you as well as to a few others i know I wont be going to them.

As soon as you get your self reset back into the flow of things I will gladly do a commission piece from you. 

biglouis
biglouis

 In November 2010 (10 months after I opened) I was contacted by Admins with vague questions like "where do you source your vintage items" and "how do you know they are vintage". I responded briefly with a list of the various sources I use (auction houses, thrift shps, private sales etc) and the fact that I have been in the British antiques trade for 40plus years, am an acknowledged expert in my field and the author of many papers and articles. The admin said "this does not help us to understand how the items in your shop are vintage" and shut down my account. Although I asked repeatedly which items they were unhappy about I never recieved an explicit response. I supplied pages of references to my articles etc, links to my Ebay shop where I am a powerseller with over 5000 positives but still they would not re-open my shop.

I then got my cousin (who is a senior partner in a US law firm) on the case. He emailed the CEO direct and threatened reporting to the BBB, bad publicity, and further action.

Result, my shopwas re-opened within 3 hours!

My lawyer they wrote formally to the CEO pointing out that due to the incompetence of his staff I, a disabled senior who relied on the money to put food on my table, had lost 3 weeks sales at the height of the selling season. There was a subsequent exchange of letters between lawyers but I did get a "goodwill" payment to compensate me for my "loss of trade and hurt feelings". I cant reveal any further details as it was the subject of a legal agreement,

At no time did Etsy ever admit they were wrong. Nor did they ever inform me exactly what I had done wrong or what item/s they were unhappy about. Obviously had they done so I could simply have removed them from my shop.

My advice to anyone who has their shop summarily shut would be to in the first instance demand a review by a higher manager rather than a low level employee - some of whom have poor communication skills. Make it clear you will make a lot of noise and wont hesitate to involve a lawyer. I have heard this from several sources that when you lash back Etsy will back off.

Bluelipstick
Bluelipstick

This is all very timely news to me. I won't be setting up shop there, and my buying account is closed as of now.

Jojo
Jojo

 I meant to write: THEY closed my shop without any warning.

K
K

We have plenty of evidence of Etsy's wrongdoing, such as closing this shop, which is clearly a collective *waves* and then turning around and featuring another "collective" who are actually distributors for Balinese wholesale furniture company. That is just a slap in the face to Batty and every other artist, especially the ones being shut down by Etsy for speaking out, like Nicole http://nicolehannajewelry.blog...

harley
harley

It is NOT just a $0.20 fee, they also take a percentage fee AFTER you sell your goods and since corsets are not cheap, that fee amounts to more than $0.20. In any case, having a group of people work on a shop is perfectly Etsy-legal-- it's called a collective. And lately, their definition on "collective" now technically include factories and mass exporters. In Asia. When the seller is in the U.S.A. Etsy does NOTHING about their resellers. If the reseller brings them enough money, they're willing to turn a blind eye and even rework and stretch their TOS to try to fit the seller. Oh and by the way, did you see Etsy's featured seller for 4/20/12? It was a reseller with bills of lading showing she imports her furniture from Bali.

Raeann Thomas
Raeann Thomas

What you're not getting is that she didn't violate any of Etsy's policies.  According to Etsy, you CAN have people help you with a project.  As far as how much she has racked up in fees, Etsy gets a certain percent per sale as well, so if her merchandise is on the expensive side, I could see $9000 in a year's time.  Also, I would have to guess that you must not have been around Etsy for a very long time.  They have a long history of completely ignoring the fact that they are loaded with Chinese resellers, and yet this woman who genuinely has a business making homemade items gets shut down arbitrarily, without even so much as a how do ya do. 

Meiju Myllari
Meiju Myllari

... So when you make up your own corset pattern, it has to be supper duber special awesome? Trust me, a LOT of patterns look like they are the same old shit, BECAUSE THEY ARE. Your shirt has puffy sleeves? all of the puffy sleeve patterns look pretty much the same. Corset? OK, I admit, the amount of "parts" that a corset takes can vary, but in the end, it is pretty much the same looking. Skirts? depending on the shape, all. same. pattern. Small changes can be made, they can be cut in the middle if the designer wants to change colors or other shit in them, but all patterns are based on the same basic patterns, altered a little to fit the design. But also, in the end, those small, not so easilly seen changes can change the outlook of the finished clothes. How it fits, how it drapes, how it looks, but as a pattern, some people might not see the difference, if they dont actually do patterns and bang theyr heads to the table trying to make them actually FIT PEOPLE.

Arrrrgh... That comment pissed me off the most, because I can understand your confusion with the money problem. But the pattern? COMON! AAARRGGH!!! I could go on and ON about this matter, especially about the fact, that how is it a crime to use premade patterns any way? as long as you make the clothes, in my oppinnion "legal" in etsy. I bet a lot of people use premade patterns in theyr etsy store, or variations of basic, "factory" made patterns on theyr clothing. After all, we all are not aliens with extra hands and feet, this needing super awsom extra special patterns to fit our body at least some what.

Kickery
Kickery

In addition to the $0.20 listing fee, Etsy charges a percentage of the price of the item once it sells.  I run a fairly successful shop and have spent about $7,000 in fees in the last 3 years.  It's quite easy for a shop with a high price point like AzAc to accumulate $9,000 in fees.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

Also, yes my mother and my workers help produce my items which is totally valid in ETSY's TOS. We are a family run business, that is not a crime.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Wow Star, you really live in a dream world don't you. I've been designing clothing and very well known for it since 1996, that's pretty amusing that you don't even research who you are talking about before you make up a bunch of assumptions. I have evidence that proves everything Etsy was accusing me is false but you go on patting those assholes on the back.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Thank you! It is really sad what Etsy is doing currently to some of it's loyal sellers. Like i have stated if it was me and EVERY chinese reseller they removed, that would be one thing, but to cancel my store for a violation that actually fell under their TOS and leave all he resellers is like a slap in the face after six years with them with NO problems until now. Makes me think there must have been some sort of regime change from within or they are just getting greedy at this point.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

Also you are kinda a asshole just saying. How would you like to have your entire livelihood taken away from you over one thing without being given a chance to defend yourself. People like you spend a whole lot of time bitching at people on the internet and pointing fingers but don't spend ANY time thinking about what it would be like if it happened to you. Thanks for being a dick.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Please tell me why you felt the need to post this twice too :) I will repost my reply just for you though: me and heavy red's designer worked together on that one item, it even states it on my website. I do not produce my items where they produce their items,I produce my items at my own factory, which my family runs. Just because it is the same design (and please note i use it as part of a gown which I designed the skirt for) does not mean I make it at THEIR factory in fact I don't even know where they produce their items and I don't care. I use my own sewers. We have documentation of proof of this. We had photos of the item being sewn, receipts for materials, address of our business etc. We sent this proof to etsy. This was only ONE item out of 150 I sell and make without ANY help. The point is asking me to shut down my whole store instead of just asking to reword or remove the item after six years with a company selling is completely ridiculous. Heavy red would be glad to back me on this. Far as I know teaming up with another designer in my field because we respect each other is not a crime.

kellyfainberg78
kellyfainberg78

@biglouis @biglouis can you provide the lawyers name? Or website?

Eveningarwen
Eveningarwen

 Hi!

First off I just came across this story on regretsy and I find it deplorable what happened to you. What's even more pathetic is the people who defend etsy when the evidence is so obvious. It shouldn't matter that one item is "sort of mass produced" when everything else is hand made. Just remove the one item Etsy if it's that big of a deal. But they have no right to remove yours when they don't remove the 100's of shops that are in violation everyday. Not to mention some of the blatant copyright violations that happen there. But all that aside I wanted to just reply (and I hope you get this) to see if you have your own website yet. If not feel free to contact me as my fiance is a web developer and is in the process right now of producing a huge site to help out small businesses. He would like to have some Beta testers basically so if you'd be interested in trying then please contact me at eveningarwen@aol.com. And no one mock me for my aol addresss lol! I know it's old but I'm lazy! Anyway, here is my webpage www.eveningarwen.com to sort of give you an idea of what he does but please note that the site he is building right now is light ages better then mine right now. Once he's done we're going to redo my site. The site/thing he's building right now was to help out my Mom who is an artist/illustrator and that's why he decided it'd be nice to create a site that small business people can use but who maybe can't afford a super expensive site.

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Also I have the CSV files of my bills and transactions and profits that I downloaded FROM THE ETSY SITE showing the money I spent and made,unless you are some kind of genie that can see magically into my books just keep talking out of your arse.

Wow23
Wow23

Not trying to defend Miss Amay, but I do see her point.  By using the term "factory" you kind of screwed yourself.  But I also agree, if Etsy finds a discrepancy, they need to contact the seller and clarify.  If after they have researched the situation, they find the seller to be in violation, then they can remove the account.  She has probably been screwed over by buying something she thought was hand-made but was indeed factory produced.  Now may be taking it out on you.  You did get screwed over though, and their way of handling business is messed up.  Just make sure that you fully disclose what you mean by factory, or choose another word to use.  Or even don't sell that one item because people obviously are not bright enough to figure it out.  I hope you can rebuild your business.  If I had money, I would support your business and buy something.

Miss Amay
Miss Amay

I wouldn't like my entire business shut down but if I violated Etsy's policy what would I expect?  So you wanted to have a chance to reword the description of the corset you were selling???  Do you mean lie about it not being factory produced?  I'm not an asshole.  You can call call me 4 letter words all you want...how professsional!  I'm just a smart educated American consumer that can see through this bias article.  I'm tired of buying shit that says handmade by the artist when it's factory produced and that's why I like Etsy because they protect consumers.  It doesn't matter if it was one item or all your items.... you screwed up.  Again you put it in writing "factory produced" on an item....  You entered a written contract when you started selling on Etsy whether you like it or not you violated their biggest policy.  And from the sounds of it Etsy probably found more than one violation.  Since I can see what's really going on here and I'm such a DICK for seeing the truth behind this article I'll just write Etsy a big thank you for protecting me as a consumer! 

Harley
Harley

Protecting you as a consumer my ass. Etsy LOVES resellers. They ever featured a reseller on April 20, 2012. Ecologica Malibu was featured and Etsy kept her feature even though there were bills of lading PROVING she was importing her work from Bali and that you could find multiples of her "handmade" furniture on Overstock, All From Boats, and Alibaba (and more) & a letter from the owner of All From Boats explicitly stating that she did not make any of the furniture herself but rather that he hired workers in Bali to assemble furniture that she "designed". And while you're busy sleuthing around, trying to find some wrong-doing on Batty's part, perhaps you could manage to dig up the definition of "collaboration" or work on your reading comprehension. According to Etsy, you do NOT have to be involved in every step of the process to have your goods considered handmade. They allow a person to design an item and send an item off to a factory (which they consider a "collective") to be MASS PRODUCED. The only factors that need to be met is: 1. A person "designed" the item. 2. The goods are first shipped to the designer's home and not from the factory to the buyer, directly. By their standards, Ikea and Apple could technically sell their goods under the label of "handmade" on Etsy so long as they refer to themselves as a "collective".

Raeann Thomas
Raeann Thomas

 Etsy absolutely does not "protect" anybody from buying from  resellers.  If anything, they turn a blind eye to resellers, and they in fact willfully ignore and even ban people who attempt to alert them and others to a reseller being in their midst.  To me, them closing down this woman's store based on one word in her description and not even questioning her about it is just their way of giving an appearance of giving a shit about resellers.  However, the reality is that they're too damn busy raking in the bucks from the actual resellers to even give a shit about who's really violating thier TOS. 

Lola
Lola

I like to see how protected you are when buying all the mass produce alibaba crap from etsy claiming 'hand made' seriously you sound like a fairly uneducated American to me.

Spasticus
Spasticus

Amay you need to RE read the ToS. If you did at least half of the concept..and created your own patterns and then directed others to sew your pieces together you can make truckloads and its not A violation. Heavy Red uses the same design thats it..the design.. the crank out their crap wherever they are..and Batty makes hers with her own materials.You need protection from the sellers that Etsy lets slide. Try searching for things with keywords Anime or Twilight.. and see what you find. 

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Here also are some photos that i sent Etsy from my "sweatshop" in my own home in Fort Worth Tx.

My sweatshop sewing machine:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

My sweatshop patterns I drew by hand along with fabrics and receipts:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

Me with NO MAKEUP in my pajama sitting in front of my sweatshop sewing machine:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

Gaint box full of my handmade patterns:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

Half sewn corset and more patterns:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

fabrics receipts from the big bad factory of HOBBY LOBBY:http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

:)

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 I'd also like to mention the cease and desist due to internet harassment we have sent out on a few people right now, wouldn't be surprised if they are trolling this article just like TROLLS like to do :)

Tracy Batty Robertson
Tracy Batty Robertson

 Also if any of these lovely people would like to see where my stuff is made they can go by 501 west 3rd St in Iuka Mississippi and visit my "factory" which is a small shed my father built on the back of his and my mothers home and visit Rita Posey and Johnny Mitchell who are my seamstresses. If it takes cold hard facts to shut someone up so be it. I also have photos of them holding my patterns and standing around my sewing machines with my fabrics in there hands. I don't think you need a step by step photo guide of how I sew my corsets and dresses but I did provide that to ETSY however. So go ahead and let them preach on about how they are protecting the american public against those good ol sweatshop factory owners like ME when about thousands of Chinese factories are still on ETSY right now churning out sweatshop stuff. I could easily list thousands of those I found just today, Also even if I did decide to have some of my items made in a real factory (which i do have some of my skirts, not the ones I sold on etsy) I still make the samples and design them which is a lot better than the chinese resellers on ETSY do. And if we really want to get down to brass tacks I'll say this. Etsy finds me against policy cool. Shut me down. But also you have to shut down all those other resellers who are far more "naughty" than me or it's plain unfair.

jenny
jenny

I'm pretty sure that asshole isn't a four letter word. But I see from your post that you sure know a few. Lovely!

If you think they're protecting consumers then you've missed the huge portion of it filled with old tat from China made in a factory by tiny little hands and really big machines. Doesn't this just remind us all that there are some people, like this genius here, who don't care that etsy is SUPPOSED to be about independent producers who make things by hand, rather than importers who re-sell anything they find at the Walmart.

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